Beyond abstracts: how to make the most of your annual meeting

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,860Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills200:00:05,860 --> 00:00:11,260to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.300:00:11,260 --> 00:00:17,340As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.400:00:17,340 --> 00:00:22,380When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find500:00:22,380 --> 00:00:27,780that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research600:00:27,780 --> 00:00:29,200program.700:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,480Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.800:00:35,480 --> 00:00:40,580However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.900:00:40,580 --> 00:00:46,200For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians1000:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,800the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.1100:00:51,800 --> 00:01:01,060Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.1200:01:01,060 --> 00:01:02,940Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast.1300:01:02,940 --> 00:01:07,780I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is a pleasure to be talking with you today.1400:01:07,780 --> 00:01:12,820I am recording live and direct from my annual meeting, the American Society of Hematology1500:01:12,820 --> 00:01:13,820Animal Meeting.1600:01:13,820 --> 00:01:14,820Yes.1700:01:14,820 --> 00:01:18,260And I'm excited to be thinking about the annual meeting.1800:01:18,260 --> 00:01:23,020So yes, all things coming to you this week are really about the annual meeting because1900:01:23,020 --> 00:01:24,120it's on my mind.2000:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,460And I'm like, what do I tell my crew today?2100:01:26,460 --> 00:01:29,060What do I tell my Clinician Researcher podcast audience?2200:01:29,060 --> 00:01:31,660And I can't think of anything outside of the annual meeting.2300:01:31,660 --> 00:01:35,740So yeah, if yesterday was about the annual meeting and the day before was about the annual2400:01:35,740 --> 00:01:43,380meeting, yes, today is also about the annual meeting, or at least an annual meeting theme.2500:01:43,380 --> 00:01:49,220And I would like to give you a spoiler alert, tomorrow may also be about the annual meeting.2600:01:49,220 --> 00:01:53,260But this particular episode is called How to Be Okay With Having Nothing to Present2700:01:53,260 --> 00:01:55,180at Your Animal Meeting.2800:01:55,180 --> 00:01:59,180How to Be Okay With Having Nothing to Present at Your Animal Meeting.2900:01:59,180 --> 00:02:03,220And this is a really important episode because, wow, a lot of people are not okay.3000:02:03,220 --> 00:02:09,580And I recorded an episode a day or two ago about the annual meeting blues.3100:02:09,580 --> 00:02:14,580And so this particular one is an important one, because sometimes the annual meeting3200:02:14,580 --> 00:02:20,460blues comes from, or they come from, having nothing to present because people are reminding3300:02:20,460 --> 00:02:22,180you that what are you even doing here?3400:02:22,180 --> 00:02:24,180You have nothing to present.3500:02:24,180 --> 00:02:30,140Oh my goodness, yes, okay.3600:02:30,140 --> 00:02:31,620Having nothing to present, it's okay.3700:02:31,620 --> 00:02:35,700And I'll tell you actually that the people who are okay that you didn't submit an abstract3800:02:35,700 --> 00:02:41,300this year are the abstract committee or the people who review abstracts and all those3900:02:41,300 --> 00:02:43,900people who are involved in like preparing abstracts.4000:02:43,900 --> 00:02:47,820Because holy cow, there was an ungodly number of abstracts submitted this year.4100:02:47,820 --> 00:02:53,860And I know because I was an abstract reviewer.4200:02:53,860 --> 00:02:58,580And I did not know when I was asked to review abstracts that I would be reviewing hundreds4300:02:58,580 --> 00:02:59,580of abstracts.4400:02:59,580 --> 00:03:00,580Like what?4500:03:00,580 --> 00:03:01,580Hundreds?4600:03:01,580 --> 00:03:02,580Are you kidding me?4700:03:02,580 --> 00:03:03,820Yep, I reviewed over 100.4800:03:03,820 --> 00:03:08,020I don't remember exactly the final tally, but I think it was 144.4900:03:08,020 --> 00:03:09,860That's a lot of abstracts.5000:03:09,860 --> 00:03:14,540Anyway, so thank you for not submitting to the annual meeting this year because that5100:03:14,540 --> 00:03:16,900was one less abstract that I had to review.5200:03:16,900 --> 00:03:18,980Yeah, okay, you're not buying it.5300:03:18,980 --> 00:03:19,980All right, all right.5400:03:19,980 --> 00:03:22,180Okay, let's talk about this episode.5500:03:22,180 --> 00:03:27,820Okay, if you're at the annual meeting and you have nothing to present, there are some5600:03:27,820 --> 00:03:33,420things you should think about as far as what else is the annual meeting about that is not5700:03:33,420 --> 00:03:37,940necessarily about presenting a poster or an oral abstract or a plenary session.5800:03:37,940 --> 00:03:41,620Okay, I hope, I hope, let's just pray.5900:03:41,620 --> 00:03:48,780I pray for you that once or twice or more in your lifetime, you'll have a plenary session6000:03:48,780 --> 00:03:53,860to present at the annual meeting or you'll have like an amazing like the award abstract6100:03:53,860 --> 00:03:54,860to present.6200:03:54,860 --> 00:03:57,180I hope that happens for you many, many, many years in a row.6300:03:57,180 --> 00:03:58,180But you know what?6400:03:58,180 --> 00:04:02,100No matter how amazing you are, and I would argue that you are pretty amazing.6500:04:02,100 --> 00:04:06,140I know because you're listening to me.6600:04:06,140 --> 00:04:07,620It's not going to happen every year, right?6700:04:07,620 --> 00:04:11,480There are going to be some years that you don't do that and it's okay.6800:04:11,480 --> 00:04:17,580And so if you're one of those people at this time was nothing to present, I want to tell6900:04:17,580 --> 00:04:21,700you that it's okay because it happens to everybody at least once in their career.7000:04:21,700 --> 00:04:22,700Yeah.7100:04:22,700 --> 00:04:26,060And even your mentor who's like, what do you mean you're going to the annual meeting?7200:04:26,060 --> 00:04:27,300You have nothing to present.7300:04:27,300 --> 00:04:30,860It's happened to them once in their careers as well, at least once.7400:04:30,860 --> 00:04:32,540It's happened at least once.7500:04:32,540 --> 00:04:37,500And so I just want to encourage you that this is the way of all people that sometimes there'll7600:04:37,500 --> 00:04:40,020be annual meetings at which you have nothing to present.7700:04:40,020 --> 00:04:44,340I'm glad that you came or that you're considering going to your annual meeting because I want7800:04:44,340 --> 00:04:48,340to tell you about other things that you can do at the annual meeting or other things that7900:04:48,340 --> 00:04:51,700the annual meeting is about that makes it relevant that you're here and that you can8000:04:51,700 --> 00:04:53,460enjoy.8100:04:53,460 --> 00:04:58,900So the first thing I want to share is that the annual meeting is really about connection.8200:04:58,900 --> 00:05:01,260And the annual meeting is about connecting.8300:05:01,260 --> 00:05:04,020It's about connecting on so many levels.8400:05:04,020 --> 00:05:07,700The easy thing to think about when I'm talking about connecting at the annual meeting is8500:05:07,700 --> 00:05:09,260connecting with your colleagues.8600:05:09,260 --> 00:05:12,220And yeah, it's a place to connect with your colleagues.8700:05:12,220 --> 00:05:21,900It's a place to connect with your former mentors or your former med school classmates or your8800:05:21,900 --> 00:05:27,620former residency cohorts or maybe your fellowship cohort, which is such an amazing cohort, you8900:05:27,620 --> 00:05:29,540know, it gets smaller over time.9000:05:29,540 --> 00:05:33,260If you did med school and you went to residency and went to fellowship, usually the classes9100:05:33,260 --> 00:05:34,580are getting smaller.9200:05:34,580 --> 00:05:39,740And so kind of the intimacy of the depth of friendship and the trauma that you share,9300:05:39,740 --> 00:05:46,820those are a little bit more, you know, they're a little more, more, more, more deep anyway.9400:05:46,820 --> 00:05:49,140But it's about connecting with those people too.9500:05:49,140 --> 00:05:53,420So connecting with colleagues, connecting with people that you share some bond in some9600:05:53,420 --> 00:05:56,460way or the other and connecting with mentors.9700:05:56,460 --> 00:06:00,860But it's also about connecting with other people who are thinking about the same problems9800:06:00,860 --> 00:06:02,860in different ways, right?9900:06:02,860 --> 00:06:07,780Connecting with industry, it's about connecting with patient advocacy groups that are there,10000:06:07,780 --> 00:06:13,900is about connecting with the foundation or the particular your annual meeting foundation,10100:06:13,900 --> 00:06:16,500whichever foundation hosts your annual meeting.10200:06:16,500 --> 00:06:21,320They've got like a whole host of ideas and a whole host of things that they want to do.10300:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,560It's really about connecting.10400:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,540And I have to tell you that the reason we struggled through the pandemic with our annual10500:06:27,540 --> 00:06:34,100meetings is that, yeah, you can give a lot of information and the information is good,10600:06:34,100 --> 00:06:39,960but to miss that electricity, the electric piece of connecting, it's really what makes10700:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,900meetings meetings.10800:06:41,900 --> 00:06:46,700And so if you are not presenting a poster or you're not presenting an abstract at your10900:06:46,700 --> 00:06:53,140annual meeting this year, it's okay because what you want to make sure you do is make11000:06:53,140 --> 00:06:59,540sure you connect and connect with the ideas, connect with the people who bring the ideas,11100:06:59,540 --> 00:07:00,540connect.11200:07:00,540 --> 00:07:04,940Don't, don't go pouting and sulking in a corner.11300:07:04,940 --> 00:07:10,180Connect because perhaps this meeting is about so much more than just bringing the information.11400:07:10,180 --> 00:07:14,620And I do want to thank everybody who did submit an abstract to the animal meeting this year11500:07:14,620 --> 00:07:15,620and had a presentation.11600:07:15,620 --> 00:07:19,900Thank you so much because if you didn't do that, we would not have the meeting.11700:07:19,900 --> 00:07:23,060It wouldn't be as rich and as vibrant and as amazing as it was.11800:07:23,060 --> 00:07:24,060It wouldn't be.11900:07:24,060 --> 00:07:25,620And so thank you for doing that.12000:07:25,620 --> 00:07:30,900And to everybody else who didn't, it's okay because it's an opportunity to connect.12100:07:30,900 --> 00:07:31,900Okay.12200:07:31,900 --> 00:07:34,580Number two is that the animal meeting is about learning.12300:07:34,580 --> 00:07:35,780Now this is kind of obvious.12400:07:35,780 --> 00:07:37,100Like, yeah, I came to learn.12500:07:37,100 --> 00:07:38,780I came to get all my CME.12600:07:38,780 --> 00:07:39,780Well good for you.12700:07:39,780 --> 00:07:40,780Make sure you learn something.12800:07:40,780 --> 00:07:46,120However, there's a lot of learning that is non-CME and I want to invite you to consider12900:07:46,120 --> 00:07:52,460that your learning should be a mix of CME learning, CME related learning and non-CME13000:07:52,460 --> 00:07:53,460related learning.13100:07:53,460 --> 00:07:54,460Right?13200:07:54,460 --> 00:07:56,420You can do all the learnings.13300:07:56,420 --> 00:08:01,020And I would venture to say that, you know, the educational and non-educational sessions13400:08:01,020 --> 00:08:05,820that are CME versus non-CME are only one piece of the learning.13500:08:05,820 --> 00:08:09,700And sometimes what you go do is learn from the product theaters.13600:08:09,700 --> 00:08:13,660I hear some people say, ugh, I want to have nothing to do with industry.13700:08:13,660 --> 00:08:20,940But I have to tell you that our industry colleagues, they're ahead in many ways that, you know,13800:08:20,940 --> 00:08:27,780you should just tap into, okay, don't accept a dinner or don't let them pay for your meal,13900:08:27,780 --> 00:08:28,780whatever.14000:08:28,780 --> 00:08:30,980Whatever helps you feel good and sleep at night.14100:08:30,980 --> 00:08:35,140Well, you should go hang out and at least talk to them and talk to a couple, go to their14200:08:35,140 --> 00:08:36,140booths.14300:08:36,140 --> 00:08:39,540They've got some things that are a little bit cutting edge, right?14400:08:39,540 --> 00:08:44,140I'll give an example and this may not impress you, but it definitely impressed me.14500:08:44,140 --> 00:08:50,220Last year when I came to the animal meeting and I asked, oh yeah, give me your card.14600:08:50,220 --> 00:08:56,500All of them, I forget what company this was, they pull out their QR code and they're like,14700:08:56,500 --> 00:08:57,840yeah, scan this QR code.14800:08:57,840 --> 00:08:58,840That's my business card.14900:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,840I was like, are you kidding me?15000:08:59,840 --> 00:09:00,840It's your business card?15100:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,820I was really super impressed because that was the first time I had seen this and they15200:09:04,820 --> 00:09:07,940are all like, you know, I'm scanning all their QR codes.15300:09:07,940 --> 00:09:09,580It's immediately popping into my phone.15400:09:09,580 --> 00:09:11,820There's none of this, spell your name.15500:09:11,820 --> 00:09:12,820Was that 910?15600:09:12,820 --> 00:09:14,180None of that.15700:09:14,180 --> 00:09:17,980It was just so seamless and so beautiful and they all did it.15800:09:17,980 --> 00:09:23,980And there I was saying I don't have a card, but you know, I just wasn't there.15900:09:23,980 --> 00:09:29,260So after that meeting, I went back and figured out how to do it.16000:09:29,260 --> 00:09:36,020And so now I'm the cool kid on the blog going around sharing with people my QR code that16100:09:36,020 --> 00:09:43,140gives them all my information on their phone without having to, you know, whip out a card16200:09:43,140 --> 00:09:44,540the old fashioned way.16300:09:44,540 --> 00:09:46,580So that's just one example.16400:09:46,580 --> 00:09:50,480There are many other things that you can learn from your industry colleagues that have nothing16500:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,020really to do with, you know, their drugs that they're trying to sell or their interventions16600:09:55,020 --> 00:09:58,020that they're trying to get you to buy into.16700:09:58,020 --> 00:10:03,380But it's just that there are people who are thinking about healthcare problems in a different16800:10:03,380 --> 00:10:07,620way than you and there's always opportunities to learn from them.16900:10:07,620 --> 00:10:12,740And I want to say one more thing about learning is, you know, the more you respect what other17000:10:12,740 --> 00:10:17,900people have to share, what perspectives other people bring, the more you learn.17100:10:17,900 --> 00:10:24,100And so I hope that in life and in academia, there's no one you feel like you can't learn17200:10:24,100 --> 00:10:25,100from.17300:10:25,100 --> 00:10:29,700So definitely recognize that the Animal Meeting is about learning, but not just the traditional17400:10:29,700 --> 00:10:32,500CME learning, but all sorts of learnings.17500:10:32,500 --> 00:10:38,060And I hope that you take advantage of the opportunities to learn as much as you can.17600:10:38,060 --> 00:10:43,300The third thing that the Animal Meeting is for is about taking time away.17700:10:43,300 --> 00:10:47,700So yeah, perhaps you brought your family with you and that's okay.17800:10:47,700 --> 00:10:48,700Or you didn't.17900:10:48,700 --> 00:10:51,660I think many people come without their families.18000:10:51,660 --> 00:10:56,460It's an opportunity to just be somewhere else, be in a different environment, be in a different18100:10:56,460 --> 00:10:57,460space.18200:10:57,460 --> 00:11:00,940And if you bring your whole family with you, great.18300:11:00,940 --> 00:11:05,600You're all like having this experience away from your normal environment, which is always18400:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,860refreshing in some way.18500:11:07,860 --> 00:11:13,020But whether you come alone or you come with others, you're leaving your natural environment.18600:11:13,020 --> 00:11:16,140And so it's a great opportunity to take time away.18700:11:16,140 --> 00:11:18,540Yes, you are working to some extent.18800:11:18,540 --> 00:11:23,900Yes, you are learning, but leave the email behind, leave all the charts behind, and really18900:11:23,900 --> 00:11:26,060just enjoy the time.19000:11:26,060 --> 00:11:27,740Enjoy the time away.19100:11:27,740 --> 00:11:29,600Enjoy the mental space.19200:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,240Enjoy the mental break.19300:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,980So the Animal Meeting is really about an opportunity to take time away.19400:11:35,980 --> 00:11:40,260And I hope that if you're at the Animal Meeting, and you know, especially if you don't have19500:11:40,260 --> 00:11:45,220anything to present, make sure that you make the most of this time away.19600:11:45,220 --> 00:11:47,380Don't go to the sessions that begin at 7am.19700:11:47,380 --> 00:11:53,340I'm so glad that now everything is so, you know, it's available on demand.19800:11:53,340 --> 00:11:58,140And so don't wake up at 7am to go to the early morning session.19900:11:58,140 --> 00:12:01,940Sleep in till 9 and then watch it at 2x the speed.20000:12:01,940 --> 00:12:05,620You'll still retain all of it and you'll have gotten some more sleep.20100:12:05,620 --> 00:12:07,620That's how you buy back time.20200:12:07,620 --> 00:12:08,620It's so awesome.20300:12:08,620 --> 00:12:11,860Okay, so it's about taking time away.20400:12:11,860 --> 00:12:14,040Make the most of it.20500:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,100The fourth thing is that the Animal Meeting is about walking a lot.20600:12:17,100 --> 00:12:20,580Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of walking involved at the Animal Meeting.20700:12:20,580 --> 00:12:25,740I don't know about you, but if it's a big enough meeting, it's a lot of walking.20800:12:25,740 --> 00:12:28,020And I see that they have scooters too.20900:12:28,020 --> 00:12:30,700So if you need a scooter, I'm glad that they have them for you.21000:12:30,700 --> 00:12:35,660And if they don't, certainly something to bring before your Animal Meeting committee,21100:12:35,660 --> 00:12:39,260because it absolutely, you know, should be available for people who need it.21200:12:39,260 --> 00:12:44,940But I will tell you that for many people, walking a lot is the order of the day.21300:12:44,940 --> 00:12:45,940You know what?21400:12:45,940 --> 00:12:48,300You've been struggling to make your steps counts.21500:12:48,300 --> 00:12:50,100You've been struggling to exercise.21600:12:50,100 --> 00:12:53,500So yeah, definitely do a lot of walking.21700:12:53,500 --> 00:12:57,900And can I just put a plug in here for going to the gym at the hotel that you're at?21800:12:57,900 --> 00:12:59,180So maybe you're good.21900:12:59,180 --> 00:13:00,740You go to the gym all the time.22000:13:00,740 --> 00:13:03,860But for everybody else who doesn't do that, wow, what an opportunity.22100:13:03,860 --> 00:13:07,220You get to go to the gym, take advantage of it, go.22200:13:07,220 --> 00:13:08,220There's a pool.22300:13:08,220 --> 00:13:09,220It's heated.22400:13:09,220 --> 00:13:10,220Wow.22500:13:10,220 --> 00:13:12,340You know, just take advantage of it.22600:13:12,340 --> 00:13:16,020You don't have to present the 7 a.m. poster.22700:13:16,020 --> 00:13:20,620So yeah, do all the other stuff that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do, including doing a22800:13:20,620 --> 00:13:22,580lot of walking and exercising.22900:13:22,580 --> 00:13:23,580All right.23000:13:23,580 --> 00:13:29,140Yes, the Animal Meeting is about walking a lot, getting your steps in.23100:13:29,140 --> 00:13:33,860Part five is that the Animal Meeting is about seeing the sights.23200:13:33,860 --> 00:13:37,580You know, they always have these meetings at these amazing places that have a lot of23300:13:37,580 --> 00:13:38,580stuff to do.23400:13:38,580 --> 00:13:41,860And they schedule you from morning until night.23500:13:41,860 --> 00:13:45,940When I was younger, I thought that meant you had to stay in the conference hotel the whole23600:13:45,940 --> 00:13:50,780time and go nowhere while you tried to learn all the stuff that somehow wouldn't stay in23700:13:50,780 --> 00:13:51,780your head.23800:13:51,780 --> 00:13:58,540What I realized now is that it gives you the opportunity to choose a day, maybe a half23900:13:58,540 --> 00:14:05,780a day, maybe even more than a day where you say, hey, I'm in this nice city that I frankly24000:14:05,780 --> 00:14:07,220don't come to very often.24100:14:07,220 --> 00:14:09,300And I'm not sure when next I'm coming back here.24200:14:09,300 --> 00:14:12,100Why don't I take a day and discover where I am?24300:14:12,100 --> 00:14:16,900And I want to invite you if you've ever been in the space where you think you can't do24400:14:16,900 --> 00:14:19,100that, please, please, please do it.24500:14:19,100 --> 00:14:23,060It's at a special, wonderful location for a reason.24600:14:23,060 --> 00:14:28,080It's supposed to be attractive and it's an opportunity, especially if you're not presenting24700:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,340an abstract for you to take advantage of learning.24800:14:32,340 --> 00:14:38,620Don't let guilt keep you in your seat in the cold auditorium from morning until night punishing24900:14:38,620 --> 00:14:41,300yourself for not coming with an abstract.25000:14:41,300 --> 00:14:44,860Please take time away and say, haha, taking Monday off.25100:14:44,860 --> 00:14:47,620This would have been the Monday that I would be presenting my abstract.25200:14:47,620 --> 00:14:52,300But no, I am going to see the sights of the town.25300:14:52,300 --> 00:14:56,340Definitely make sure that you invest time in seeing the sights.25400:14:56,340 --> 00:14:57,340Okay.25500:14:57,340 --> 00:15:02,420The sixth thing is that the annual meeting is about gaining new ideas.25600:15:02,420 --> 00:15:06,580And so I think that you are more relaxed when you don't have things to present, or you can25700:15:06,580 --> 00:15:09,500just go around and say, how did they solve this problem?25800:15:09,500 --> 00:15:11,180Oh, this is interesting.25900:15:11,180 --> 00:15:13,260Okay, how did they do this?26000:15:13,260 --> 00:15:15,580You look at the posters and you say, what were their methods?26100:15:15,580 --> 00:15:18,900Huh, why did they choose to do it this way?26200:15:18,900 --> 00:15:24,700You gave new ideas so that you can take it back to your program and make the most of26300:15:24,700 --> 00:15:25,700it.26400:15:25,700 --> 00:15:31,260So I would definitely recognize that the annual meeting is about gaining new ideas for your26500:15:31,260 --> 00:15:34,580research and for your scholarship.26600:15:34,580 --> 00:15:39,940And number seven is that the annual meeting is about remembering why you're in academia,26700:15:39,940 --> 00:15:41,500remembering why you're in academia.26800:15:41,500 --> 00:15:43,940And, you know, sometimes we get lost.26900:15:43,940 --> 00:15:45,540We get lost in the day to day.27000:15:45,540 --> 00:15:53,340We get lost in the prior authorizations, the constant requests, the MyChart messages, the27100:15:53,340 --> 00:15:56,140grant submissions, the manuscript submissions.27200:15:56,140 --> 00:16:02,500We get lost and we forget about the big picture until we come to the meeting.27300:16:02,500 --> 00:16:05,340And all of a sudden we see science moving forward.27400:16:05,340 --> 00:16:08,500And it feels like there's an acceleration that takes place at the annual meeting.27500:16:08,500 --> 00:16:12,740And it's a little bit of an optical illusion, or maybe we should call it a mind illusion.27600:16:12,740 --> 00:16:16,820But it's that, you know, all the science has been going on all along, but we bring it all27700:16:16,820 --> 00:16:17,820together.27800:16:17,820 --> 00:16:19,380We showcase it in different ways.27900:16:19,380 --> 00:16:23,700And then all of a sudden we're like, my gosh, things are moving forward, gene therapy is28000:16:23,700 --> 00:16:24,700here.28100:16:24,700 --> 00:16:28,220Oh my gosh, gene editing is part of our therapies.28200:16:28,220 --> 00:16:29,220It's really awesome.28300:16:29,220 --> 00:16:30,580And it's just so inspiring.28400:16:30,580 --> 00:16:35,260And seeing the work that people are doing and moving forward just reminds you why you're28500:16:35,260 --> 00:16:41,100in academia, here to move the needle forward, here to really progress in your scholarship.28600:16:41,100 --> 00:16:44,660So that even if you're not able to present an abstract this year, you're going to be28700:16:44,660 --> 00:16:48,900able to do it a year from now, two years from now, and the data will have been worth the28800:16:48,900 --> 00:16:49,900wait.28900:16:49,900 --> 00:16:52,340It is so inspiring to be here.29000:16:52,340 --> 00:16:56,980It is so inspiring to see the work that's happening, the excitement with which people29100:16:56,980 --> 00:17:01,500are presenting their work, the hopes they have for the future, right?29200:17:01,500 --> 00:17:04,740Because they're not just presenting their science, they're presenting strategies for29300:17:04,740 --> 00:17:11,140equity, in medicine, they're presenting strategies for mentoring people who are underrepresented29400:17:11,140 --> 00:17:18,020in medicine or mentoring women or mentoring men, which, you know, I mean, a lot of different29500:17:18,020 --> 00:17:20,860groups are underrepresented in medicine.29600:17:20,860 --> 00:17:26,780And so just listening to all the ideas and all the things that people are sharing is29700:17:26,780 --> 00:17:29,220so, so, so inspiring.29800:17:29,220 --> 00:17:31,780And it reminds me that I'm here.29900:17:31,780 --> 00:17:33,580I'm here because I want to be.30000:17:33,580 --> 00:17:35,980I'm here because I choose to be.30100:17:35,980 --> 00:17:41,860And I hope that you also take time to connect to the annual meeting in such a way that you30200:17:41,860 --> 00:17:45,260are able to recognize and remember why you came.30300:17:45,260 --> 00:17:50,020And remember why you put up with all the stuff you put up with so that you can advance in30400:17:50,020 --> 00:17:51,020a different way.30500:17:51,020 --> 00:17:52,020Yeah.30600:17:52,020 --> 00:17:53,020All right.30700:17:53,020 --> 00:17:54,020So those are the reasons.30800:17:54,020 --> 00:17:58,660Those are the things to think about so that you can be okay with having nothing to present30900:17:58,660 --> 00:17:59,820at your annual meeting.31000:17:59,820 --> 00:18:04,540Now, I can't tell you that you'll take these seven points to your mentors and they'll say,31100:18:04,540 --> 00:18:06,420oh, yeah, I'm patting you on the back.31200:18:06,420 --> 00:18:07,420Well done.31300:18:07,420 --> 00:18:08,540You have no abstract to present.31400:18:08,540 --> 00:18:13,460I can't say that they're going to be excited for you, but I think it's important for you31500:18:13,460 --> 00:18:19,220to recognize the value of the annual meeting beyond just presenting an abstract.31600:18:19,220 --> 00:18:25,100And I hope that as you move into a mentor role, and you probably already are in a mentor31700:18:25,100 --> 00:18:29,980role, you'll cut your trainees some slack and you won't require that they have to have31800:18:29,980 --> 00:18:33,060a poster before they can go to the annual meeting.31900:18:33,060 --> 00:18:34,660I think it's a worthy goal.32000:18:34,660 --> 00:18:35,660Wow.32100:18:35,660 --> 00:18:39,140Many a poster has been strung together just to make it to the meeting.32200:18:39,140 --> 00:18:43,940And I think it's okay to encourage people that going to the meeting is valuable even32300:18:43,940 --> 00:18:46,340when you have nothing to present.32400:18:46,340 --> 00:18:50,900So those seven things were remembering that the annual meeting is about connecting.32500:18:50,900 --> 00:18:52,340It's about learning.32600:18:52,340 --> 00:18:53,980It's about taking time away.32700:18:53,980 --> 00:18:56,380It's about a lot of walking and exercise.32800:18:56,380 --> 00:19:01,940It's about seeing the sights, getting new ideas, and remembering your why in academia.32900:19:01,940 --> 00:19:02,940All right.33000:19:02,940 --> 00:19:05,300It's been a pleasure to talk with you today.33100:19:05,300 --> 00:19:06,300Thank you for listening.33200:19:06,300 --> 00:19:08,700Have a great rest of your day.33300:19:08,700 --> 00:19:18,940And I look forward to talking with you again the next time.33400:19:18,940 --> 00:19:24,300Thanks for listening to this episode of the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic33500:19:24,300 --> 00:19:29,460clinicians learn the skills to build their own research program, whether or not they33600:19:29,460 --> 00:19:31,100have a mentor.33700:19:31,100 --> 00:19:37,060If you found the information in this episode to be helpful, don't keep it all to yourself.33800:19:37,060 --> 00:19:38,940Someone else needs to hear it.33900:19:38,940 --> 00:19:42,980So take a minute right now and share it.34000:19:42,980 --> 00:19:48,460As you share this episode, you become part of our mission to help launch a new generation34100:19:48,460 --> 00:20:08,260of clinician researchers who make transformative discoveries that change the way we do health