Finding the right leader for your career

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,860Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills200:00:05,860 --> 00:00:11,260to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.300:00:11,260 --> 00:00:17,340As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.400:00:17,340 --> 00:00:22,380When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find500:00:22,380 --> 00:00:27,780that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research600:00:27,780 --> 00:00:29,200program.700:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,480Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.800:00:35,480 --> 00:00:40,580However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.900:00:40,580 --> 00:00:46,200For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians1000:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,800the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.1100:00:51,800 --> 00:01:01,160Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.1200:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,080Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast.1300:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,480I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is a pleasure to be talking with you today.1400:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,480Thank you so much for tuning in.1500:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,280Today I'm talking about how to find the right leader for your career.1600:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,280And I have a feeling that this one's going to be short.1700:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,960Yes, the moment you say it's going to be short, then it's awfully long, but I do have seven1800:01:22,960 --> 00:01:25,120things, but I think it'll be really short.1900:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,040So how do you find the right leader for your career, and why does it even really matter?2000:01:29,040 --> 00:01:34,960And I think back to earlier on in my career where I had no clue what I was supposed to2100:01:34,960 --> 00:01:38,640do as an academic faculty, and you could say, well, that's on you.2200:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,120You should have gone to figure it out.2300:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,760I guess I was figuring it out.2400:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,440And in the meantime, I thought my mentors were going to tell me they were going to be2500:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,440the ones to help me.2600:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,960And I really counted on them for so much.2700:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,960And I was disappointed.2800:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,560And I think I was disappointed because I just put so much on people.2900:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,160And at the end of the day, nobody cares about your career like you do.3000:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,800Nobody's thinking about your life like you are thinking about your life.3100:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,280And so there I was thinking, oh, I'm not getting the mentoring I need.3200:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,240Oh, people are not really caring about me.3300:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,560Oh, my goodness, they're not helping me move forward.3400:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,120And I think what I didn't recognize is that any gift you get from anybody is a gift, and3500:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,880you just take it as that.3600:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,160And people are just people.3700:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,460And there are some people that they connect with more.3800:02:22,460 --> 00:02:25,680Some people they feel like they can see themselves in more than others.3900:02:25,680 --> 00:02:31,520You know, your mentor looks at you and they think, wow, that's exactly how I was 10 years4000:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,520ago.4100:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,480Or they look at you and they're like, I can't even imagine what you were like 10 years ago.4200:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,480Right.4300:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,760And so it's just a different experience for different mentors.4400:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,200And mentors are not superhuman.4500:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,520They're only human.4600:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,840And if we have challenges in general, right, as far as like how people move forward in4700:02:48,840 --> 00:02:55,140their careers, you know, it just it just also applies to our academic institutions as well.4800:02:55,140 --> 00:03:02,640So anyway, just saying that mentoring doesn't always get you where you think it should take4900:03:02,640 --> 00:03:08,200you because you have expectations that sometimes don't match what is reality for you as far5000:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,600as the mentors you have available to you.5100:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,440So anyway, so I wanted to share with you a couple of things as to how to find the right5200:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,520leader for your career.5300:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,160And the first thing I want to say is that this leader that you find for your career5400:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,480has to really care about you.5500:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,040Like they've got to care.5600:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,480They've got to say, wow, you know, they're going to be thinking about you.5700:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,320They've got to be wondering, OK, how do I make things better for this person?5800:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,400They've got to really, really care about you.5900:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,720And why is that relevant?6000:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,600Because, you know, mentoring or leading someone's career is a big deal, right?6100:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,760You're considering what are the challenges that they are running into?6200:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,760What are the things that they really need?6300:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,920You know, you're thinking about them to some extent.6400:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,600It kind of is like having a child.6500:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,200I guess we could call it you're a scientific parent as a leader, as a mentor, helping someone6600:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,280navigate their own career.6700:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,880And it works best when you actually care about the person whose career you're helping to6800:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,000navigate.6900:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,040And so as you're thinking about who's the right leader for my career, you've got to7000:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,880recognize that it's going to be someone who actually cares about you.7100:04:08,880 --> 00:04:14,040And I think that there are many people in academia who, you know, they're neutral about7200:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,040you.7300:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,360I mean, you're someone who needs help and they're available to help.7400:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,360They're happy to help.7500:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,400But it doesn't mean like they're invested in you or that they really, really are like,7600:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,440I want you to succeed by all means.7700:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,840There are not too many people in life who actually I mean, not that they don't want7800:04:28,840 --> 00:04:33,120that for you, but they're not too many people who care that much.7900:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,320You know, it's like, hey, I've got a lot to think about.8000:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,600I've got a lot on my plate.8100:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,560And I'm not really thinking about you beyond just our interaction here.8200:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,800And so you just got to recognize that not everybody deeply cares about you like that.8300:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,280And but but if you're really going to have someone help you lead your career, you do8400:04:51,280 --> 00:04:54,320need to find people who actually do care about you.8500:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,000And so you may have mentors or you may have people who help you lead your career who don't8600:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000care about you like that.8700:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,360You know, there are different things that you're getting from them and that's OK.8800:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,640But when you're looking for the one person that you're really going to put your career,8900:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,680you know, you're going to put your career in their hands, you want to make sure that9000:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,880they actually really care about you.9100:05:12,880 --> 00:05:13,880OK.9200:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,720The next thing is that this leader actually needs to see your potential where you can't9300:05:19,720 --> 00:05:20,720see it.9400:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,000And so the challenge is that we have so many blind spots.9500:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,640When we start out in our academic careers, we don't even know what we what we can and9600:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,640cannot do.9700:05:28,640 --> 00:05:29,640Right.9800:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,640We don't know our potential.9900:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,280We don't really recognize how powerful we are.10000:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,720We have no idea who we are.10100:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,960It's like, you know, Superman, who is like, yeah, I'm like, I have all these powers and10200:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,880it's kind of weird, but I just don't think much of myself.10300:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,440I think I'm just ordinary like everybody else or maybe better still.10400:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,880It's like the chicken or the eagle that grows up among chickens.10500:05:51,880 --> 00:05:57,080I've heard that story before where you don't even know how far how much you can fly or10600:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,440soar because you've been surrounded by chickens who don't fly, who don't soar.10700:06:02,440 --> 00:06:08,120And so it takes another person who's like thinking about you and thinking, wow, you10800:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,360have potential.10900:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,700You're an eagle.11000:06:10,700 --> 00:06:11,700You can do this.11100:06:11,700 --> 00:06:12,700Right.11200:06:12,700 --> 00:06:14,920And they've got to see potential where you can't see it.11300:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,920OK.11400:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,400The next thing is that this leader actually needs to have a bird's eye view of your entire11500:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,400career.11600:06:21,400 --> 00:06:27,120Now, I'm not just talking about your career as in, you know, your your academic advancement11700:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,440or your patient care.11800:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,680They really got to just look at your whole life.11900:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,200Like, where are you in life?12000:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,520Are you in a place where you have small children at home and you're not really able to make12100:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,560the kinds of investments that people who don't are?12200:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,680Or are you in your career and a place in your career where maybe you have parents who are12300:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,120aging and really need your support at this time?12400:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,400Do you are you in a place in your career where you have someone who's a loved one that you're12500:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,840primarily responsible for who's going through a major illness?12600:06:54,840 --> 00:06:55,840Right.12700:06:55,840 --> 00:07:01,320So this person has really got to be able to take into consideration your stage in life,12800:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,360everything that you're going through.12900:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,920And they've got to really be able to support you through that.13000:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,280Again, you know, it's like what this is so idealistic.13100:07:10,280 --> 00:07:16,280But this is important because I think in academia, so many times we're so focused on the products13200:07:16,280 --> 00:07:24,440of the academy, on papers, on manuscripts, on publications, on grants and presentations13300:07:24,440 --> 00:07:29,360and showing up internationally or nationally, you know, all the stuff that helps us move13400:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,480forward and those things are good.13500:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,000It's good that we're focused on them.13600:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,360Where else would we be focused on them?13700:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,720But they've also got to take into account your big life, your big picture.13800:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,680And so if we are focused on these things to the exclusion of the big picture of your life13900:07:45,680 --> 00:07:51,140and the challenges that are going on in your life, it puts stress on you because even while14000:07:51,140 --> 00:07:56,500nobody else is acknowledging what's going on with you, you know, you're acutely aware14100:07:56,500 --> 00:07:58,480you're having to manage it.14200:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,680And so this leader has really got to have a bird's eye view, not just of your academic14300:08:02,680 --> 00:08:08,200career, but just who you are and where you are in life and what you need at this particular14400:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,800time of your experience.14500:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,400Okay.14600:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,840This leader needs to ride with you through the highs and the lows.14700:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,320So I'd love to say, and you know, that we are not always high, right?14800:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,080You love to say that, oh, my goodness, everything is always so awesome and life is always so14900:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,080good.15000:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,400But there are times when that's not true and things are challenging.15100:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,680You know, there's the unexpected funeral that, you know, you have to deal with.15200:08:34,680 --> 00:08:37,920There's an unexpected illness that you weren't preparing for.15300:08:37,920 --> 00:08:44,320There's an unexpected accident where now you need to fix your car or there's an unexpected15400:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,760pull out of an au pair and now you're kind of left looking for support for your children.15500:08:48,760 --> 00:08:55,720And this person has got to be able to go with you through those highs and those lows.15600:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,280Number five is that this leader needs to support you even when doing so is a sacrifice to their15700:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,400own personal lives.15800:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,520So it's like, okay, you need support right now.15900:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,920I'm going to do it even though it costs me.16000:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,320And that's a big deal.16100:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,800It's a big deal to ask people to do things that could potentially cost them.16200:09:13,800 --> 00:09:19,640Maybe promoting you may mean that they have to forego like their leadership position.16300:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,060They're like, you know what?16400:09:21,060 --> 00:09:23,960I think you should go, you should move into this leadership position.16500:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,440I'm stepping back so that you can step forward.16600:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,680That's a big deal, right?16700:09:27,680 --> 00:09:29,360That's a huge deal.16800:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,400But really, it's someone putting you forward.16900:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,200It's someone giving you a platform.17000:09:34,200 --> 00:09:41,040And for you to really have someone who's the right leader for your career, they've got17100:09:41,040 --> 00:09:46,360to really support you even when it's at a personal cost to them.17200:09:46,360 --> 00:09:47,860Okay.17300:09:47,860 --> 00:09:52,480So I say all of those so I can let you know that I really have just created the picture17400:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,400of an idealistic leader who does not exist in human form.17500:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,480And so you may have a little bit of this in so many different people, but it's a little17600:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,800bit of each thing in so many different people.17700:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,000But what you probably don't have is all of it in one person.17800:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,840So if you think about the person who really cares about you, maybe it's really a parent.17900:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,260And they certainly are not in your academic environment.18000:10:17,260 --> 00:10:21,160Maybe you work with a family member or maybe your parents are in academia.18100:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,160Good for you.18200:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,480But most of the time, it's not the way it is.18300:10:24,480 --> 00:10:30,720And so yes, you have different people who embody these different things, but you don't18400:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,720necessarily have one person who embodies all of it.18500:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,880And so if you are not going to be able to find one person who embodies all of this,18600:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,720then you do have to go to the next best thing.18700:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,480You have to go to option number two.18800:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,640So there's no ideal person.18900:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,360And there might be some people are able to find mentors who they gel with, they connect19000:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,320with, and the mentor is like, I'm like a parent to you.19100:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,400I'm going to do everything to promote you.19200:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,800Some people do find that.19300:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,560But I want you to know it's very few.19400:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,980It's less than 20% of people.19500:11:06,980 --> 00:11:12,440And so for the rest of us, the next best thing, which is number seven, is to recognize that19600:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,400the next best leader is you.19700:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,760And as I say that, I see people saying, oh, wait a minute, me, haha, don't even really19800:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,480care about myself like that.19900:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,560I totally see no potential in my life.20000:11:25,560 --> 00:11:30,600I have a struggle with birds eye view of my entire career because I have no idea where20100:11:30,600 --> 00:11:31,920I am right now.20200:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,840And I can't even ride with myself through the highs, much less the lows, right?20300:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,080You look at yourself and you're like, me, definitely not.20400:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,320Can we find someone else who will lead my career?20500:11:42,320 --> 00:11:48,600And I am sorry to have to break it to you, but it's you.20600:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,760You cannot find the ideal leader who's going to be all things to you.20700:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,460And so the next best thing is that you step up and you take ownership.20800:11:58,460 --> 00:12:01,040You take ownership for your experience.20900:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,800You take ownership of your, you take leadership.21000:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,440You take up the leadership mantle for your own career.21100:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,480But what does that mean, though?21200:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,320It means you've got to do things a little bit differently.21300:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,080It means you first of all, got to actually start to really care about yourself.21400:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,800So the whole thing, maybe this is not you, but for somebody hypothetically who doesn't21500:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,720care enough about themselves, right?21600:12:24,720 --> 00:12:31,400Who is not sleeping enough, not eating right, not exercising, right?21700:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,800Not really caring for themselves as they should.21800:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,560Then what do they do?21900:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,640Well, you got to get there.22000:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,520You've got to do the work to be able to really see yourself as someone you really need to22100:12:43,520 --> 00:12:44,520care for.22200:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,360And sometimes it's hard because I think in medicine, our training leads us to kind of22300:12:48,360 --> 00:12:55,600put ourselves last and to some extent sacrifice our personal experience on the altar of other22400:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,760people's moving forward, especially patient care.22500:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,080And so sometimes it's hard for us to actually really care for ourselves.22600:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,960And it takes time.22700:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,080And it takes work.22800:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,880And for some of us, it takes going to therapy and so that we can do that work and do that22900:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,500work in therapy.23000:13:12,500 --> 00:13:18,080Or for some of us, then that's work that we have to do in coaching.23100:13:18,080 --> 00:13:24,120And whatever the venue where you do the work, where you learn to care for yourself and take23200:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,240care first of your own oxygen, right?23300:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,480You take care of putting on your mask first before you go on to try to save the universe,23400:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,480right?23500:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,520You really got to do that work so that you can do that well.23600:13:36,520 --> 00:13:42,160And the other thing you need to do as you want to become this best leader for yourself23700:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,060is you got to just go get the training needed, right?23800:13:46,060 --> 00:13:49,760You want to read books, you want to attend professional development, you want to attend23900:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,760career development events.24000:13:50,760 --> 00:13:56,080You want to do things that help you grow as a person because when you grow as a person,24100:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,560then you're really able to lead your career as you're supposed to.24200:14:00,560 --> 00:14:05,940And so you really, really, really have an opportunity where there's a gap.24300:14:05,940 --> 00:14:07,680There's no one to lead.24400:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,640You may have a great mentor, but most people do not.24500:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,460There's an opportunity to lead.24600:14:12,460 --> 00:14:17,720There's an opportunity to really lead the people who are helping you lead your experience,24700:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,720right?24800:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,720So you do have mentors.24900:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,000Okay, maybe there's not one of them that's like a superstar mentor leader, as I've just25000:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,840described, but you do have those who are around you and are there to help you.25100:14:28,840 --> 00:14:34,320And so you get the training you need so that you can help them give you the kind of advice25200:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,640that helps you get where you're going, right?25300:14:36,640 --> 00:14:42,820It means disclosing things as needed to say, hey, I know that this next two weeks is crunch25400:14:42,820 --> 00:14:47,880time for this abstract, but I'm going to sit this abstract submission out because x, y,25500:14:47,880 --> 00:14:48,880z, right?25600:14:48,880 --> 00:14:55,980It's you being able to be bold and confident to say, I'm going to take the leadership mantle25700:14:55,980 --> 00:15:00,440for my own career because I actually really understand what I'm going through and what25800:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,000needs to be done.25900:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,480But it will take time for you to get the training that's needed to become the leader that you26000:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,640need to be to lead your own career.26100:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,440So the question I want to ask you to consider as you go on to this week is what do you need26200:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,960to do to develop the leader within you?26300:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,480How do you move this leader forward?26400:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,380How do you help this leader succeed?26500:15:19,380 --> 00:15:24,800How do you help yourself succeed so that you can lead yourself in the way you want to?26600:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,920And it's important because as you learn to lead yourself, then you're really open to26700:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,280leading a lot more other people.26800:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,360And to be honest, we need leaders like you.26900:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,640We need leaders who care for themselves well enough where we know that, well, if you treat27000:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,440yourself well, it's a sign that you're going to treat other people well.27100:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,240But if you treat yourself poorly, then we're suspicious that you're going to treat other27200:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,720people under your leadership poorly too.27300:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,120And so what do you need to do to begin to develop a leader within you so that you can27400:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,840really lead yourself in your experience and then turn around and lead others as well?27500:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,640OK, so just to summarize, this leader's got to really care about you.27600:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,840They've got to see potential where you can't see it.27700:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,480They need to have a bird's eye view of your entire career.27800:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,120They need to ride with you through the highs and the lows.27900:16:08,120 --> 00:16:13,480They need to support you even when doing so would be a sacrifice to themselves personally.28000:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,100And I list all these things and let you know that this leader probably doesn't exist in28100:16:18,100 --> 00:16:19,100human form.28200:16:19,100 --> 00:16:23,680And so the next best thing is you is to develop yourself to be the leader that you need to28300:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,680be.28400:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,680All right.28500:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,120I think that is short.28600:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,320I am coming to the end of it.28700:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,280And I just want to thank you for taking the time to listen to today's episode.28800:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,840And I look forward to talking with you again the next time.28900:16:36,840 --> 00:16:37,840Have a great day.29000:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,880And please share this podcast episode with someone.29100:16:41,880 --> 00:16:42,880All right.29200:16:42,880 --> 00:16:50,640Bye.29300:16:50,640 --> 00:16:56,000Thanks for listening to this episode of the Clinician Researcher Podcast, where academic29400:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,400clinicians learn the skills to build their own research program, whether or not they29500:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,800have a mentor.29600:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,920If you found the information in this episode to be helpful, don't keep it all to yourself.29700:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,640Someone else needs to hear it.29800:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,680So take a minute right now and share it.29900:17:14,680 --> 00:17:20,160As you share this episode, you become part of our mission to help launch a new generation30000:17:20,160 --> 00:17:25,920of clinician researchers who make transformative discoveries that change the way we do health30100:17:25,920 --> 00:17:26,920care.30200:17:26,920 --> 00:17:41,480Right now, suit yourself.30300:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,580There.