How to make the most of your mentors

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,860Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills200:00:05,860 --> 00:00:11,260to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.300:00:11,260 --> 00:00:17,340As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.400:00:17,340 --> 00:00:22,380When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find500:00:22,380 --> 00:00:27,780that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research600:00:27,780 --> 00:00:29,200program.700:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,480Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.800:00:35,480 --> 00:00:40,580However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.900:00:40,580 --> 00:00:46,200For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians1000:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,800the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.1100:00:51,800 --> 00:01:01,040Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.1200:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,240Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast.1300:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,820I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is such a pleasure to be talking with you today.1400:01:08,820 --> 00:01:14,280Thank you for taking the time to listen in as we talk about how to make the most of your1500:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,280mentors.1600:01:15,280 --> 00:01:22,760Now, sometimes there is this sense that the mentor is going to just do everything for1700:01:22,760 --> 00:01:23,760you.1800:01:23,760 --> 00:01:30,200It's going to be the one to lead you from A to B to C to Z. Everything rises and falls1900:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,320with this one mentor, and sometimes it doesn't work out that way.2000:01:35,320 --> 00:01:38,720We're disappointed, and we're just annoyed, and we're like, well, if this mentor would2100:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,160have come through for me, my career would have been better, or we call our mentors the2200:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,160Tor mentors.2300:01:43,160 --> 00:01:49,480Wow, so many challenges can happen in our mentoring relationships, but it's not because2400:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,480of the mentor.2500:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,560I would say that if you've had a challenging mentoring relationship, please do not blame2600:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,560the mentor.2700:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,880And yes, I don't know your mentor, and maybe your mentor was the horrible person tormenting2800:02:00,880 --> 00:02:01,880you.2900:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,880I'm not saying that they were not.3000:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,720I certainly know people who do that, and I've had my fair share of mentors who felt like3100:02:07,720 --> 00:02:13,760Tor mentors, but I want to say that the relationship building is up to you.3200:02:13,760 --> 00:02:19,120And one of the ways that you get the best and the most out of a mentor is really taking3300:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,880ownership of the mentoring relationship.3400:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,160And many times we look up to our mentors and we're like, well, they're older, they're more3500:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,360senior, therefore they're responsible.3600:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,560But in reality, you are responsible for this mentoring relationship.3700:02:32,560 --> 00:02:33,960You are.3800:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,360You're responsible to get out of it what you want from it.3900:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,880You are in this mentoring relationship for you.4000:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,800Yes, your mentor is going to benefit.4100:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,080And yes, they're going to love mentoring you because you're so awesome.4200:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,120And everyone loves to mentor the next generation of scientists.4300:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,360So you are, I mean, it's a great relationship.4400:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,600Your mentors are so excited to mentor you.4500:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,280But if you're going to get what is needed to shape your own career, it's going to be4600:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,760because you create the opportunity to do it.4700:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,040Now there's some mentors who don't need coaching, who don't need training, who are able to just4800:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,480take a person and really help them advance in their careers.4900:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,600But for the most part, if a mentoring relationship is going to succeed, it's because the mentee5000:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,720knows how to get the most out of the mentor.5100:03:20,720 --> 00:03:26,440And so I'm going to talk today about strategies that you can use to make the most use of your5200:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,720mentors.5300:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,000So remember in our last episode, we talked about the importance of you taking ownership5400:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,560of your career?5500:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,960Well taking ownership of your career means taking ownership of your mentoring relationships5600:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,520as well.5700:03:40,520 --> 00:03:46,760And to do that, you really need to first be able to set clear goals and expectations.5800:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,200What do you want for yourself?5900:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,080What do you want out of this career?6000:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,800Why are you here?6100:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,800What do you want out of this career?6200:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,720And if you're very clear on where you're going, then you can ask someone to help you get there.6300:04:01,720 --> 00:04:07,280It's like the person that is out walking and you stop them and you're like, sir, are you6400:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,720lost?6500:04:08,720 --> 00:04:09,720And they're like, yes, I'm lost.6600:04:09,720 --> 00:04:10,720I need directions.6700:04:10,720 --> 00:04:11,720And like, okay, where are you going?6800:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,160And then I'm like, I'm not really sure.6900:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,480How can you give such a person directions?7000:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,040And perhaps you're benevolent and you're like, oh, okay, well, give me a sense of where you7100:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,560think you might want to go.7200:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,960And they're like, well, I'm not really sure.7300:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,960I could go here.7400:04:26,960 --> 00:04:27,960I could go there.7500:04:27,960 --> 00:04:28,960Maybe I'll go there.7600:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,120I'm not sure I could go anywhere.7700:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,560How can you help a person like that?7800:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,560Someone who doesn't have a clear address to which they're going is very difficult to give7900:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,060directions to.8000:04:41,060 --> 00:04:44,020And it's the same in your own career.8100:04:44,020 --> 00:04:49,860If you're not very clear about where you're going, no mentor can help you get there because8200:04:49,860 --> 00:04:50,860you don't know.8300:04:50,860 --> 00:04:56,040And like, isn't that from Alice in Wonderland where the Cheshire Cat asked Alice where she8400:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,880was going and she was like, well, nowhere really.8500:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,200And he was like, well, then it doesn't matter which way you go.8600:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,480And it's the same thing.8700:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,600You want to clearly define your goals because when you clearly define your goals and you8800:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,880understand how this mentor fits in.8900:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,080So remember, there are different types of mentoring relationships.9000:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,200There's a research mentor in relationship.9100:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,040There's also sponsorship that happens as well.9200:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,040And then there's career development mentorship.9300:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,960So there are different kinds of mentoring relationships.9400:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,860What you need depends on where you're going.9500:05:26,860 --> 00:05:30,400Perhaps you've already gotten a lot of research mentoring and you're not necessarily looking9600:05:30,400 --> 00:05:31,440for another mentor.9700:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,640But this person is someone you've identified as someone who can really help you move forward.9800:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,000Well, in what way are they going to help you move forward?9900:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,240Where are you going so that you're very clear, you know where you're going so that you're10000:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,440very clear on how they can help you get there.10100:05:45,440 --> 00:05:52,280And so if you have very specific achievable goals, it helps you and your mentor stay focused10200:05:52,280 --> 00:05:54,160on what you need to accomplish.10300:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,520It helps you not go on the tangent of the great project that you could take on that10400:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,960you don't really want to do.10500:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,120But now you're trying not to make your mentor upset or you know, you're trying to please10600:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,120your mentor.10700:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,720So you're going off tangent.10800:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,400And so the way that you make the most out of your mentor is to set very clear goals10900:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,520and expectations so you know where you want to go and you become clear about when you're11000:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,440veering off your goals.11100:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,080And I will tell you that the process of setting goals and expectations is very hard.11200:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,080This is difficult.11300:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,580It's number one for a reason.11400:06:27,580 --> 00:06:28,940It is hard.11500:06:28,940 --> 00:06:35,640It's hard because in our training in medicine, there's the prescribed path.11600:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,560There's like, this is where everybody goes.11700:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,840This is at the end of four years, you graduate medical school, there's no questions asked.11800:06:41,840 --> 00:06:44,240At the end of three years, the residency is over.11900:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,480This is the way it works all the time.12000:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,240And when we get to the place where we're planning our own careers, there isn't such a clear12100:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,320path.12200:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,440And so we haven't been practicing the muscle of defining where we want to go.12300:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,360And so it's something that we haven't been exercising the muscle of defining where we12400:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,360want to go.12500:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,960And so it's helpful that we start to do that.12600:07:03,960 --> 00:07:09,560So setting clear goals and expectations for yourself is the most important first step12700:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,440in making the best use of your mentors.12800:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,400So that's number one.12900:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,720Number two is to communicate these goals and expectations.13000:07:16,720 --> 00:07:24,880And so sometimes, okay, number two is to communicate these goals and expectations effectively.13100:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,280So you know where you're going inside your head, but nobody else knows it.13200:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,520They still can't help you get there or give you the directions that are necessary to get13300:07:33,520 --> 00:07:34,640you there.13400:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,560Because although the goals are very clear to you, you're not communicating them.13500:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,480And part of communicating is really being open and honest.13600:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,320And this can be really hard, this effective communication, because we don't want to disappoint13700:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,460our mentors.13800:07:49,460 --> 00:07:55,280If we come into their program and they say, oh, my goodness, I'm so glad you're here with13900:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,200your expertise, you're going to help me move this project forward.14000:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,240It's going to be so awesome.14100:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,280And you're a little bit deflated because you're like, well, that's not why you wanted that14200:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,280mentor specifically.14300:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,360And you're not interested in moving in that new direction.14400:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,400But you don't want to disappoint them.14500:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,600And maybe they're the number one research mentor in the whole institution, and you don't14600:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,020want to be the one mentee who fails in their expectation.14700:08:18,020 --> 00:08:19,560And so then you don't share.14800:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,960You don't share that that's not where you want to go.14900:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,140And then you start on a project that you don't really want to be on.15000:08:26,140 --> 00:08:27,840And it can be challenging.15100:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,840And so that's why you need to maintain open and honest communication with your mentors.15200:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,880And if there's something you disagree with, if there's a direction they're trying to take15300:08:36,880 --> 00:08:42,020you in that you don't want to go, the importance of stopping and saying, hey, I really love15400:08:42,020 --> 00:08:43,020that idea.15500:08:43,020 --> 00:08:45,160And that's not where I want to go.15600:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,120And that's where it goes back to number one, setting clear goals and expectations.15700:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,400So you do know when you're veering off tangent, and you can be very clear and communicate15800:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,160it to a mentor.15900:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,520And so you want to make sure that you are open and honest in your communication.16000:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,200And if you're not able to do that, I will tell you that this is where a coach can be16100:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,940helpful to help you clarify what is your desire.16200:09:05,940 --> 00:09:07,920What is the challenge that you have?16300:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,200What is your true feeling about it?16400:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,360So that you can then choose how to best communicate with your mentor.16500:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,860So you definitely want to make sure that your communication is open, it's honest, it's effective.16600:09:20,860 --> 00:09:25,440You want to keep them up to date on your goals.16700:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,120And you know, as goals are changing, because goals are not static things.16800:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,860You master something, you want to move on to the next thing.16900:09:31,860 --> 00:09:34,560Or you see that you have a new direction you want to set.17000:09:34,560 --> 00:09:39,920You want to be able to communicate them clearly so that as the mentor is trying to help you17100:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,560move forward, they know exactly how to do that.17200:09:42,560 --> 00:09:45,320Okay, so that's number two, communicate effectively.17300:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,640Number three is to be proactive.17400:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,480You've got to be proactive.17500:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,240I was not a proactive mentee.17600:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,920I was the one who was always waiting for the mentor to find me and say, hey, how's it going?17700:09:56,920 --> 00:09:57,920What do you need?17800:09:57,920 --> 00:10:04,160And to be honest, when I finally, I think grew up in my mentoring relationships, I recognized17900:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,400that the mentoring relationships were for me, therefore I needed to be proactive in18000:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,400the mentoring relationships.18100:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,840And part of that is making sure you're clear on how this mentor helps you like, how does18200:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,520this mentor help you?18300:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,240And if you are very clear about the gap that you're trying to fill with this mentoring18400:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,480relationship, then take ownership and fill the gap.18500:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,800Help the mentor help you schedule the meetings as you need to prepare questions and topics18600:10:29,800 --> 00:10:30,800for discussion.18700:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,520Don't let them don't don't show up.18800:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,160And then they're like, oh, great, I'm glad you're here.18900:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,160This is what I want to talk about.19000:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,120I mean, it's great if they want to do that.19100:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,160But you have a clear purpose and a plan for this mentor in your life.19200:10:40,160 --> 00:10:46,280So you want to make sure you are proactive in, you know, preparing the questions that19300:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,580help you, the help lead you to the answers that move your research forward.19400:10:50,580 --> 00:10:54,540And so when you're proactive and demonstrating your commitment, it helps.19500:10:54,540 --> 00:10:58,880It helps because well, the person who has specificity around where they want to go is19600:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,600so much easier to help than the person who's just not sure, doesn't really want to reach19700:11:03,600 --> 00:11:04,600out.19800:11:04,600 --> 00:11:10,240And to be honest, you know, mentors have so much going on in their lives that if you never19900:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,640showed up, they might they might wonder where you are, but they may not necessarily have20000:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,980the bandwidth to reach out and say, how are you doing?20100:11:16,980 --> 00:11:21,200And remember, a mentoring relationship is not like a mother, son or mother daughter20200:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,200relationship.20300:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,360This is not like a nurturing, like, oh, my love, how are you?20400:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,640It's great if you have that and if you have that wonderful, good for you.20500:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,320But it doesn't need to be that way.20600:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,080It really is a professional relationship.20700:11:35,080 --> 00:11:40,880And if you are getting what you need in your personal and professional goal, I'm sorry,20800:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,120if you're getting what you need in terms of your research growth, good for you.20900:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,600That's pretty much you have what you need.21000:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,400And maybe your mentor is not warm and fuzzy.21100:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,720Remember, you're not there for this mentor for warmness, warmth and fuzziness.21200:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,000You can have other mentors, especially outside of academia, to give you the warmth and fuzziness21300:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000needed.21400:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,320But you want to be clear about how this mentor helps you.21500:12:01,320 --> 00:12:06,920And then you want to be proactive about getting them to help you.21600:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,880The other thing is the importance of learning from your mentors experiences.21700:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,760So your mentors are living in a different world, or at least they came up at a different21800:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,200time, a different era than you are.21900:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,920They had different challenges.22000:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,740But overall, the themes are similar.22100:12:22,740 --> 00:12:25,920And so it's helpful to learn from their experience.22200:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,120It's helpful to listen more than you speak.22300:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,440So yes, you're the one being proactive.22400:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,280You're the one who's bringing the agenda.22500:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,320You're the one who's saying, hey, this is how I want you to help me.22600:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,080But when you do ask questions, you want to make sure you listen.22700:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,440You know, let them ask them questions about their past successes and their failures.22800:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,240Ask especially about the failures.22900:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,440People don't talk about failures enough.23000:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,040And sometimes hearing about the failures is enough for you.23100:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,400It inspires you and encourages you.23200:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,440Because you're like, oh, you failed.23300:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,080And you're still here or you're doing awesome, even though you failed.23400:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,680And it just helps you move forward in a different way.23500:13:03,680 --> 00:13:07,360But the only way you find out is when you listen.23600:13:07,360 --> 00:13:13,080And so in listening, you are able to get insights that perhaps you wouldn't have been able to23700:13:13,080 --> 00:13:19,840get before when you're very focused on just, you know, the challenge that's ahead of you.23800:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,800And so definitely take time to listen and learn from their experiences and make sure23900:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,840that you are able to really leverage that to the growth and advancement of your own24000:13:29,840 --> 00:13:30,840career.24100:13:30,840 --> 00:13:37,760Another thing that's important is to really show them gratitude, is to show mentors gratitude.24200:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,900And it's just that, to be honest, this is something that applies to everybody, anybody24300:13:41,900 --> 00:13:45,320who at any time meets with you to speak with you about your career.24400:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,080It's just to say thank you.24500:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,540It's just to say thank you.24600:13:48,540 --> 00:13:50,880It's really just simple just to say thank you.24700:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,080It says, hey, I value your time.24800:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,080I value expertise.24900:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,200Thank you for taking this time to meet with me.25000:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,760And it may be that you're supporting your mentors program and your work is also moving25100:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,760their work forward, which is great.25200:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,860And I think it's just important actually that we acknowledge each other and we thank each25300:14:10,860 --> 00:14:16,520other for the things we do that allow us to move forward in a big and important way.25400:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,240And anyway, so it's important.25500:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,320It's important to do these things.25600:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,320So I want to just go through these five things again.25700:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,640You want to make sure you have clear goals and expectations.25800:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,240You want to communicate effectively, honestly, openly.25900:14:29,240 --> 00:14:34,000You want to be proactive and take ownership and direct your own career.26000:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,400You want to learn from their experiences and you want to show gratitude because it is so26100:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,420important that we show gratitude to people who help us move forward.26200:14:43,420 --> 00:14:49,000So I say all that and I want to share with you and remind you that you are leading your26300:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000own career.26400:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,000You absolutely are.26500:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,880And part of finding the way to make the most of your mentors is being clear about where26600:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,160you're going.26700:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,960And if you're not clear, to do the work of getting clear.26800:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,320And that's where I think a coach can be helpful.26900:15:02,320 --> 00:15:08,240And if you're a clinician looking for a coach who can help you make that transition, build27000:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,280the infrastructure in your life to be able to successfully make that transition from27100:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,500clinician to clinician scientist, I would love to work with you.27200:15:17,500 --> 00:15:18,920Please come work with me.27300:15:18,920 --> 00:15:19,920Send me a DM.27400:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,800I'm on Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn.27500:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,080And let me know how I can be of help to you.27600:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,240And if it makes sense for both of us, then we move forward.27700:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,420But it is important to recognize that you need to take ownership.27800:15:33,420 --> 00:15:37,800Whatever is necessary to do that so that you can make the most of the mentors in your life27900:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,480is absolutely worth doing.28000:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,240Ultimately, you are responsible for your career.28100:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,160You're responsible for the choices that are made.28200:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,100Even if your mentor strongly recommends something and it doesn't work out, you are still responsible28300:15:50,100 --> 00:15:51,640for the fallout.28400:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,140So definitely make use of the people that you have around you.28500:15:56,140 --> 00:16:02,520And remember that you ultimately are leading your own experience and you get to you get28600:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,520to choose.28700:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,120You absolutely get to choose.28800:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,120All right.28900:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,560It has been a pleasure talking with you today.29000:16:08,560 --> 00:16:19,400Thank you for taking the time to listen.29100:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,720Thanks for listening to this episode of the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic29200:16:24,720 --> 00:16:30,000clinicians learn the skills to build their own research program, whether or not they29300:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,540have a mentor.29400:16:31,540 --> 00:16:37,520If you found the information in this episode to be helpful, don't keep it all to yourself.29500:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,400Someone else needs to hear it.29600:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,440So take a minute right now and share it.29700:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,900As you share this episode, you become part of our mission to help launch a new generation29800:16:48,900 --> 00:17:01,760of clinician researchers who make transformative discoveries that change the way we do health