How to plan for your research success

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,860Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills200:00:05,860 --> 00:00:11,260to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.300:00:11,260 --> 00:00:17,340As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.400:00:17,340 --> 00:00:22,380When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find500:00:22,380 --> 00:00:27,780that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research600:00:27,780 --> 00:00:29,200program.700:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,480Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.800:00:35,480 --> 00:00:40,580However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.900:00:40,580 --> 00:00:46,200For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians1000:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,800the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.1100:00:51,800 --> 00:01:01,160Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.1200:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,280Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast.1300:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,520I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is such a pleasure to be talking with you today.1400:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,200Thank you for listening.1500:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,460I'm excited to continue the thread that we started in the last episode, and that's really1600:01:14,460 --> 00:01:18,080talking about planning, planning for success.1700:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,760So this episode is about how to plan for your research success.1800:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,280And I want to tell you that your work matters.1900:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,880The research you do is amazing.2000:01:28,880 --> 00:01:34,420It is life-transforming, and I want as many people as possible to benefit from it.2100:01:34,420 --> 00:01:39,560And part of your success is having a plan and executing on the plan.2200:01:39,560 --> 00:01:45,000So last week, we talked about tools that you would need for succeeding in spite of a broken2300:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,000mentoring system.2400:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,720And today, I'm going to talk about planning, which is one of your tools.2500:01:50,720 --> 00:01:51,720Planning is so important.2600:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,560I'm showing a whole episode on it.2700:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,000So I can talk to you about planning for research success.2800:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000Okay.2900:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000Planning.3000:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,360So I didn't know, you know, it's interesting.3100:02:02,360 --> 00:02:08,880When I started as an undergraduate, I mapped out my next four years because I was in a3200:02:08,880 --> 00:02:14,320small liberal arts college, and there were some courses that were not offered every year.3300:02:14,320 --> 00:02:19,220Some of those courses were going to be prerequisites for graduation or maybe even prerequisites3400:02:19,220 --> 00:02:20,520for the next course.3500:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,880And so I would look and say, hmm, this course is offered every other year, and I need this3600:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,760course so I can take this course.3700:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,080Therefore, I'm going to make sure I take this course by this time.3800:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,440And I mapped out my entire undergraduate career.3900:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,680Actually, sometimes I can't believe I did that, but it was very helpful because every4000:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,680year I would just pick up the plan and some things would change a little bit.4100:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,800But for the most part, the plan stayed in place.4200:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,880And so planning is so helpful.4300:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,080So it's interesting when I got to my faculty career, how much I didn't plan.4400:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,560And I think one of the challenges with planning is that what am I planning for?4500:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,920I have clinic this week and next week and then the week after that.4600:02:57,920 --> 00:03:02,480And okay, so I could do some planning around my clinic, maybe spend time, you know, prepping4700:03:02,480 --> 00:03:09,200notes and, you know, closing charts to make sure that I'm not behind from the next clinic.4800:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,760I could plan the clinic, but what about my research?4900:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,960I didn't have a plan for my research.5000:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,320And somebody, and in particular, it was the National Center for Faculty Development and5100:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,440Diversity and that the founder is Carrie Ann Rockamore.5200:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,400She was the one who taught me how to plan.5300:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,440Okay, she taught me how to plan.5400:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,520And actually, since then, I've had many people help me in my planning.5500:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,680So at the end of this, I want to say the foundation is really Carrie Ann Rockamore and how she5600:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,800shared with me how to plan.5700:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,040And a lot of other people have contributed along the way.5800:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,720And this at least is the way in which I'm presenting it to you.5900:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,480Okay, for more resources, I will add in the show notes websites that you can go look at6000:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,000to think about your planning.6100:03:52,000 --> 00:04:01,400Okay, so the very first thing I want to share is the importance of having a plan for your6200:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,400life.6300:04:02,400 --> 00:04:09,600Now, I started from a huge high level, the level of planning your life and it's like,6400:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,960whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's let's come back here.6500:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,600Who can plan a life?6600:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,880Actually it's, it's very difficult to do.6700:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,880I agree.6800:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,140It's very, very big, daunting, challenging task.6900:04:20,140 --> 00:04:23,640And when we're talking about moving forward to your research, it's like, oh, is my life7000:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,160the first place we begin planning?7100:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,560But I do want to pause and put in a plug for planning your life.7200:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,120You cannot plan your whole life.7300:04:32,120 --> 00:04:37,140You cannot plan every aspect of your life, but what you can do is plan the things you7400:04:37,140 --> 00:04:40,240want to make sure to accomplish.7500:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,320Those are the things that don't change.7600:04:42,320 --> 00:04:48,480I want to make sure that 20 years from now, I have a healthy relationship with my children.7700:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,840Now, I don't want that to be left off to chance and I can be intentional about it so that7800:04:53,840 --> 00:04:58,28020 years from now, the chances are high that I'm going to have a great relationship with7900:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,880my children because I'm setting the building blocks now.8000:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,640Do you see the kind of life planning I'm talking about?8100:05:03,640 --> 00:05:09,160I'm not saying, you know, make up the plan for where you'd be living 17 years from now,8200:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,360but maybe you know, maybe you're like, you know, when we went to Costa Rica, it was an8300:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,760experience that changed our lives.8400:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,280And we know that when we retire, we're moving to Costa Rica and I would say plan it.8500:05:19,280 --> 00:05:24,120And maybe as you're doing your planning, you say, why do we want to wait until we're 658600:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,120to go to Costa Rica?8700:05:25,120 --> 00:05:30,360Why not go now and vacation there every year or maybe have a second home there.8800:05:30,360 --> 00:05:35,320And we go in the summers, you know, so those are the kinds of things I'm talking about.8900:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,920The kinds of things that you know, 40, 50 years from now, I want this to still be important9000:05:39,920 --> 00:05:40,920to me.9100:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,040Now, the theme is important, right?9200:05:43,040 --> 00:05:49,120The theme I'm talking about in life planning is really your health, your relationships.9300:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,780It's your health and your relationships.9400:05:50,780 --> 00:05:52,840It's your personal development.9500:05:52,840 --> 00:05:56,940Like no matter what's happening in the world 20 years from now, I want to be more than9600:05:56,940 --> 00:05:57,940I am today.9700:05:57,940 --> 00:05:58,940I want to know more.9800:05:58,940 --> 00:06:04,760I want to have like a higher sense of self actualization than I do now.9900:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,760I don't have to wait and see what happens.10000:06:06,760 --> 00:06:07,760I can plan that.10100:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,280I can plan that in the books I choose to read.10200:06:10,280 --> 00:06:13,600I can plan that in the career development courses that I take.10300:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,360I can plan them the professional development opportunities available to me.10400:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,320I can plan those things.10500:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,560So that's what I'm inviting you to do as you think about your life plan.10600:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,280And as you think about your life plan, I want you to think about these specific domains.10700:06:26,280 --> 00:06:31,400I want you to think about the domain of your personal and intellectual development.10800:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,280Now, if you're a clinician, and I hope you're a clinician scientist listening to me or an10900:06:36,280 --> 00:06:41,480aspiring or developing clinician scientist, then you've made a huge investment in your11000:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,720intellectual development just by becoming a physician.11100:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,720But you know, and I know, that science knowledge is changing.11200:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,160And the things you knew so well today, you come back to the wards two years from now,11300:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,520and already there's been an evolution.11400:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,000So scientific knowledge is changing.11500:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,840Intellectual knowledge is evolving.11600:07:01,840 --> 00:07:05,280It's growing to know things more deeply.11700:07:05,280 --> 00:07:08,760And so you cannot say, well, I went to medical school and learned a lot of things.11800:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,960And oh my gosh, you did learn a lot.11900:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,120That cannot be the end of your intellectual development.12000:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,380Have a plan for that.12100:07:15,380 --> 00:07:18,320And I think that is one of the most important things you'll do.12200:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,320Okay.12300:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,120Have a plan for your personal development, right?12400:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,280Personal growth.12500:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,960Like, how do you become a kinder person?12600:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,280How do you become someone who has more compassion?12700:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,280Right?12800:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,000These are not things we just sit and hope we were kinder.12900:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,560These are not things we just sit and hope you are more patient.13000:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,560We develop a plan.13100:07:36,560 --> 00:07:42,120So I want to make a plug for a book that helps me put together a life plan.13200:07:42,120 --> 00:07:48,160And it's called Living Forward by Daniel Harkavy and Michael Hyatt.13300:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120And they talk about developing a life plan.13400:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,320And so I want to share that resource with you.13500:07:53,320 --> 00:07:58,520It's a great read and it actually helps you just put in the big domains of your life.13600:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,100You know, as another example, health, that's kind of like an easy example.13700:08:02,100 --> 00:08:07,200At the age of 90, I want to be flexible and I want to have good muscle mass.13800:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,240Now I don't have to wait until 90 to decide to try to achieve that goal.13900:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,880I know that it involves strength training today.14000:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,920It involves exercise today.14100:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,920So that's the amazing thing about having a life plan is that you can start to execute14200:08:20,920 --> 00:08:27,920on your life plan today and you can actually choose what parts of your life you control.14300:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,640Like, you know, you just don't control the future, but you can control what health you'll14400:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,680be in when you get to the future.14500:08:34,680 --> 00:08:38,880You can control the quality of your relationships when you get to the future.14600:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,840And because as you make a plan, then you know what to invest in today.14700:08:42,840 --> 00:08:48,680So the very, very first thing that's important in your research success is your life plan.14800:08:48,680 --> 00:08:53,880The reason your life plan is important is because you do not want to get to the end14900:08:53,880 --> 00:09:00,440of this research success and realize that you're alone on the top of a beautiful mountain15000:09:00,440 --> 00:09:06,760of awards and accolades and a CV that's as long as the Nile.15100:09:06,760 --> 00:09:12,200And you're alone because you lost your loved, your loving relationships or you didn't make15200:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,360the necessary investments.15300:09:14,360 --> 00:09:19,560And your kids who got the best education don't even talk to you anymore.15400:09:19,560 --> 00:09:22,720And oh, wait a minute, you have grandchildren and you don't know their needs.15500:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,200And this is so important.15600:09:25,200 --> 00:09:31,320And just want to just pause here for a little bit because when we are not making intentional15700:09:31,320 --> 00:09:38,560moves, then we do not control the things that we do or we do not control how we move forward.15800:09:38,560 --> 00:09:43,480For example, if I'm so focused on my research, I'm like, look, I don't have time to think15900:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,520about my family right now.16000:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,320What you're doing is neglecting an area that's so important where you could be investing16100:09:50,320 --> 00:09:58,400in and you're focusing on an area that ultimately is important, but not more important than16200:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,160the other things in your life.16300:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,560And so when you're like, look, kid, when you're five years old, you're five years old now,16400:10:03,560 --> 00:10:08,240in five years when I finished my career development award and transitioned to independence, then16500:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,240I can talk to you.16600:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,800I can be your dad.16700:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,360Wrong move.16800:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,680Because the investments you need to have a great relationship with your 12 year old,16900:10:16,680 --> 00:10:17,680you make now, right?17000:10:17,680 --> 00:10:20,120When you're 12 year old to seven.17100:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,120Okay.17200:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,640So please, please, please start with your life plan.17300:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,440Start with how you're going to enhance your health because that affects everything else17400:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,440you do.17500:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,280Because the moment you've decided that, Hey, I'm all about advancing my health.17600:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,480Therefore, I exercise for 30 minutes every day.17700:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,200It doesn't matter the crisis.17800:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,160Your exercise is already set.17900:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,280Your exercise habit.18000:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,680Your exercise plan is already set.18100:10:43,680 --> 00:10:44,680Okay.18200:10:44,680 --> 00:10:48,400I've said a lot about the life plan and it's, I don't want you to think of it as a daunting,18300:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,660overwhelming thing, but I want you to think about it as something that helps you set the18400:10:52,660 --> 00:10:55,840stage for your research career.18500:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,520And it helps you not to burn, burn your life in the process of trying to reach research18600:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,520success.18700:11:01,520 --> 00:11:02,520Okay.18800:11:02,520 --> 00:11:03,520That's number one.18900:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,520The next thing I want you to do is just to plan the year.19000:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,120What do you want to accomplish this year?19100:11:09,120 --> 00:11:14,460What are the three things you want to accomplish in your scholarship this year, in your research19200:11:14,460 --> 00:11:15,840this year?19300:11:15,840 --> 00:11:16,880What are those three things?19400:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,400Now don't tell me I want to write three manuscripts.19500:11:20,400 --> 00:11:21,400I'm sorry, I'm laughing.19600:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,980The manuscripts are important, but three broad ranging things, right?19700:11:26,980 --> 00:11:29,080What do I want to accomplish in the next year?19800:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,860And so what I want you to do is think about three overarching goals that you want to accomplish19900:11:33,860 --> 00:11:34,860this year.20000:11:34,860 --> 00:11:40,080And maybe that goal is I want to submit my first career development award by the end20100:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,080of the year.20200:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,080Okay.20300:11:42,080 --> 00:11:43,080That's one goal.20400:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,400Maybe your second goal is I want to have published this original research that we started doing20500:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,520last year on X topic.20600:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,560You want to have published it, right?20700:11:51,560 --> 00:11:52,560That's the goal.20800:11:52,560 --> 00:11:55,120You don't control the publication, but you do control the submission.20900:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,120Okay.21000:11:56,120 --> 00:12:03,080And then the third thing you might put on your list is I want to have enhanced my skill21100:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,320in grant writing, right?21200:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,240That kind of goes with the, I want to submit this grant funding.21300:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,200So anyway, so have a goal for the year.21400:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,800And here are the three general areas in which I recommend that you create a goal.21500:12:14,800 --> 00:12:15,800And so three areas.21600:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,000Number one is in what research funding you're going to bring into your program.21700:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000Okay.21800:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,920Like I want to submit for this award, right?21900:12:23,920 --> 00:12:29,080And then the second thing I want you to think about is what manuscripts, which original22000:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,920research manuscripts, you can write a lot of case reports, you can write a lot of other22100:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,400reviews and everything, but I'm asking you to focus just on original research manuscripts,22200:12:37,400 --> 00:12:43,040because part of that is building your platform of the scholarly knowledge that you're creating,22300:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,040right?22400:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,280So what original research manuscripts would you want to accomplish, would you want to22500:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,800publish this year?22600:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,400And then the third thing is what talks do you want to give?22700:12:51,400 --> 00:12:57,320You know, I'm going to have a podcast episode in the future about how to become known for22800:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,320what you do.22900:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,320Okay.23000:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,320All right.23100:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,320So I'm going to do that.23200:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,600I'm going to preview a speaker who's coming on, who is going to share with us about how23300:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,080to increase visibility for your research program.23400:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,080Okay.23500:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,600I'm getting off that public service announcement.23600:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,280That's in the process of happening.23700:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,280Okay.23800:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,560So I talked about three goals, right?23900:13:16,560 --> 00:13:21,000One goal is a grant writing goal, or it's a proposal development submission goal.24000:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,440The second is an original manuscript goal.24100:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,640So please, not just one manuscript, but at least one.24200:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,600And then the third is a communication goal.24300:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,280Like where do I want to be a speaker this year?24400:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,320Like in what areas do I want to communicate my research?24500:13:35,320 --> 00:13:40,120Like what are the platforms in which my research is going to be heard about?24600:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,120Okay.24700:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,120So three things.24800:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,120Okay.24900:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,000Now you have a goal for the year.25000:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,200Now three things.25100:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,000It could be more, but usually just keep it short.25200:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,200And they're big overarching goals.25300:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,840There are going to be many steps to get there.25400:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,680And now you're going to say, well, in the next three months, which of these three things25500:13:54,680 --> 00:13:56,040are we going to accomplish?25600:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,040Okay, great.25700:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,040In the next three months, you know what?25800:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,320This data has been collected.25900:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,840It's been sitting there and I have not yet turned it into a research manuscript.26000:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,000In the next three months, I want to submit this manuscript because I'm going to write26100:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,800this grant later in the year.26200:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,440I want to have the manuscript already published that's going to support this proposal, right?26300:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,640So that's what you're going to do in the next three months, in the next quarter.26400:14:16,640 --> 00:14:17,640Okay.26500:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,160So now, so we went from planning your life, number two, we went to planning your year,26600:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,360number three, we went to planning your quarter.26700:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,560And here's where you bring these big audacious goals that you have for the year and you just26800:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,320make them more tangible.26900:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,120Like in the next three months, I want to do these things.27000:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,240I want to submit this original research manuscript for publication.27100:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,240That's one of your goals.27200:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,680Now, I hope that's not the only goal you have in the next three months, but even if it was,27300:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,800that's a pretty worthy goal, right?27400:14:42,800 --> 00:14:49,400And I want to go back actually to the one-year plan because it's like when you go, wait,27500:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,000this is really helpful, I think.27600:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,920It's coming together for me and just sharing with you that.27700:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,360Think about your one-year review.27800:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,320One year from now, you're going to go and maybe for you it's six months, I don't know.27900:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,760But in one year, you're going to have a review with your division chief, department chair,28000:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,240your dean, whoever you have the review with.28100:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,440What do you want to say you've done in the year?28200:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,400That's a starting point for your year, right?28300:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,800And there's some very specific things that you know your chief is going to ask you about.28400:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,120How many manuscripts did you publish?28500:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,800What grants did you submit?28600:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,000Those kinds of things.28700:15:20,000 --> 00:15:25,480So in thinking about the plan for the year, what I want you to do is write yourself a28800:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,800mock annual review with your division chief or your department chair.28900:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,760Now this is, it's not real yet.29000:15:33,760 --> 00:15:39,200Write out the list of all the things that you want to say to your department chair,29100:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,200I have accomplished at the end of this year.29200:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,440That's how you make your one-year goal.29300:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,800I want to say I've submitted three manuscripts for publication or I've published three manuscripts,29400:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,800original research.29500:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,600Or I want to say I've submitted five manuscripts for publication, a mix of original research29600:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,600and other things.29700:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,640I want to say I've given talks at five institutions.29800:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,960Okay, do you see what I'm saying?29900:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,360So if you are not, like you have no idea what your one-year plan should be, think about30000:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,720your annual review.30100:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,800What are the things that are expected of you?30200:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,080Make that your plan.30300:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,480Say okay, five manuscripts it is, this is what I'm going to accomplish.30400:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,920Give three talks across different institutions, this is what I'm going to accomplish.30500:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,640Submit three research grants, this is what I'm going to accomplish.30600:16:18,640 --> 00:16:19,640Okay?30700:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,640Okay, so you know your one-year plan.30800:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,040Now we break it down.30900:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,280What are you going to accomplish out of that one-year plan?31000:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,120You already have that one-year plan.31100:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,600So you take that one-year plan and you say which of these goals am I going to do in the31200:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,040next three months?31300:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,320Now sometimes people will tell you to make these goals realistic.31400:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,160I'm kind of, I take the other track.31500:16:41,160 --> 00:16:46,400I say they don't have to be realistic because sometimes the whole mental energy of trying31600:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,480to say are these realistic or are these not just takes up a lot of time.31700:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,160You want them to be goals you actually can accomplish, but you know what?31800:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,360You don't have to make them goals that you definitely accomplished because you have a31900:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,360whole year.32000:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,360You have a long runway.32100:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,760And so if you say okay, I look at this list of 12 things that I want to accomplish by32200:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,840the end of the year and I want to try to do five in the first three months, five is a32300:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,720lot, but what you'll do is in making your three-month plan, you're going to prioritize.32400:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,640The most important of my plan is this original research manuscript because it really needs32500:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,800to come out so I can submit this grant.32600:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,240That's going to be priority number one.32700:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,840And then priority number five will be that nice case report of that case you saw in the32800:17:26,840 --> 00:17:32,120awards last week that you're like okay, I want this to be one of my publications by32900:17:32,120 --> 00:17:33,520the end of the year.33000:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,680And okay, you want to be able to do it and you want to accomplish it in the next three33100:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,640months, but it's going to be number five because in the grand scheme of things, the original33200:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,960research manuscript matters more.33300:17:42,960 --> 00:17:48,440And if you get to this case report before, as number five thing of this quarter, that's33400:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,400great, but if you don't get to it, it's okay too.33500:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,560Do you see how I'm asking you to think about it?33600:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,880So I'm asking you to think about it as a priority list, not necessarily like oh my gosh, if33700:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,960I don't accomplish these three things, it's going to be overwhelming.33800:17:59,960 --> 00:18:01,280It's going to be awful.33900:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,640Just think of it as a hierarchy of I'm going to start with these important things first,34000:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,640right?34100:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,040Most important things first and then I'll move to the next thing.34200:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,760So start with the most critical, the things that are most important.34300:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,240If you're trying to decide what are the things that are most important, think about your34400:18:17,240 --> 00:18:23,560promotion and tenure requirements and think about what things do people get promoted for.34500:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,880For many institutions, it's your grants, it's your manuscripts that are published.34600:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,120For many institutions, it's the talks you give, right?34700:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,920Your scientific contribution.34800:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,360Use that as a priority list for what you work on first, okay?34900:18:38,360 --> 00:18:42,280Now I do want to point out that as we're making these plans, what I'm not asking you to do35000:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,440is to plan your clinic.35100:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,640Your clinic is never going to go away or whatever you do clinically, it doesn't go away.35200:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,240It's there every week.35300:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,920Even if you don't plan for it, well, it's going to come and you're going to have to35400:18:53,920 --> 00:18:54,920deal with it.35500:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,520And to be honest, you're a clinician, you've gotten really good at that.35600:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,400You're like, oh no, no, no, no, no, I need to prep my notes.35700:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,400Okay.35800:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,320But whether or not you plan for it, these notes are happening.35900:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,800So what I want you to focus on in your planning is not the things that are going to happen36000:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,560whether or not you plan, but the things that if you don't plan for, they may not happen.36100:19:14,560 --> 00:19:15,560You know?36200:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,120Like planning for the clinic.36300:19:17,120 --> 00:19:21,600If you say, I'm going to show up for a clinic, how about you try not showing up for a clinic?36400:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,480Now, one of the best things to do if you ever get into trouble is to get in trouble on a36500:19:26,480 --> 00:19:32,960day in which you have clinic because they will find you.36600:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,420All of a sudden your chief will say, can we send the police out to her house for a wellness36700:19:37,420 --> 00:19:41,320check because clinics started at eight and she has not shown up and it's 1230.36800:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,320Right?36900:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,880Did you see what I'm saying?37000:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,080Your clinical things have accountability.37100:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,080Even if you don't plan for them, they're going to happen anyway or someone's coming after37200:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,080you.37300:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,440Your research, your professional development, nobody's asking you.37400:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,360A year from now, they'll be like, oh, how come you haven't published any papers?37500:19:58,360 --> 00:20:01,520That's a year later.37600:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,480I'm missing one clinic and figuring out when you're going to hear about it.37700:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,480Do you see what I'm saying?37800:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,800I'm saying the things we're planning are the things for which otherwise we would not have37900:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,280accountability for.38000:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,080We're creating the system that helps us give ourselves accountability.38100:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,080Okay.38200:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,520So, I've come into the three-month planning.38300:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,120You're looking at your one year.38400:20:20,120 --> 00:20:25,000You're looking at the three most important things you want to accomplish in this quarter38500:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,640and that's what you're planning.38600:20:26,640 --> 00:20:27,640Okay.38700:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,240Now, let's take one item.38800:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,960In the next three months, I want to submit this original research manuscript.38900:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,760Now, remember your goal at the end of 12 months is to publish this research manuscript, but39000:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,480you do not control the publication.39100:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,240What you control is your submission.39200:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,440I'm going to talk next week about the things you control and the things you do not control.39300:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,520You do not control the outcome of publication, but you're going to increase the chances of39400:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,780the outcome by doing the work you do control, submitting.39500:20:56,780 --> 00:20:59,800You control your submission and that's what you're going to work on.39600:20:59,800 --> 00:21:00,800Okay.39700:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,200So, your goal at the end of these three months is not to publish the article that's beyond39800:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,440your control.39900:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,880Your goal is to submit it.40000:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,560And now, what does it take to submit this original research article?40100:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,400Ah, I'm glad you should ask because I actually kind of have to write the article.40200:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,400Great.40300:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,400Let's put it on there.40400:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,400When are you going to write this article?40500:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,760When are you going to write the article, right?40600:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,760I mean, okay, you're going to want to think about that.40700:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,320But right now in the three-month planning, we're just saying, okay, what needs to happen40800:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,160for this article to be submitted by the end of these three months?40900:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,240Okay, you got to write it.41000:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,240So write that down.41100:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,080Well, you know, I can't just write it.41200:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,600Yeah, I actually need to do the data analysis.41300:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,600Oh, okay.41400:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,600Well, put that on your list.41500:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,880Well, I can't just do the data analysis.41600:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,560I actually need to meet with a statistician who's going to do the data analysis.41700:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,120Okay, put that on the list.41800:21:45,120 --> 00:21:46,120Meet with a statistician.41900:21:46,120 --> 00:21:50,200Well, the thing about meeting with a statistician is that first of all, you need to clarify42000:21:50,200 --> 00:21:55,800that the data collection, what the parameters of the data collection were, or maybe it's42100:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,800a data set.42200:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,800You haven't acquired the data set.42300:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,960I mean, the data is there, but you haven't acquired the data set.42400:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,080Okay, well, put that on the list, right?42500:22:02,080 --> 00:22:07,400But you have a list of things that need to be done so that you can submit at the end42600:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,400of this three-month period, you put that all on your list for your next three, your plan42700:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,880for the next three months.42800:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,600And so when you look at each category, the category of submit original research manuscript42900:22:18,600 --> 00:22:25,000for publication now has acquire a data set, set up meeting with statistician, meet with43000:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,800statistician to review data, complete the data analysis, write the first draft of the43100:22:29,800 --> 00:22:36,040manuscript, submit, circulate to co-authors and revise and then submit.43200:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,160Do you see there are all these steps to get you to that one beautiful goal of submitting43300:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,080your research article for publication.43400:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,920So your goals have babies.43500:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,860You're going to create the hierarchy of the latter of those goals.43600:22:51,860 --> 00:22:55,240This is the first step and then this is the next step and this is the next step.43700:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,600So now you have your three-month goals.43800:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,640Okay.43900:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,560Now we're going to go on to planning your week.44000:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,720Okay.44100:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,720Planning your week.44200:23:04,720 --> 00:23:11,760We have a beautiful list of our three-month goals and the babies of each three-month goal.44300:23:11,760 --> 00:23:17,840We know the steps that need to be taken to accomplish these three-month goals.44400:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,360Now I'm going into next week.44500:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,040Today is my data plan.44600:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,040Okay.44700:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,640Let's look ahead to the week.44800:23:24,640 --> 00:23:30,880What do I need to do this week that supports my three-month goal?44900:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,620Now remember one of the things I wrote down on my list for this original research manuscript45000:23:35,620 --> 00:23:37,960is acquire the data set.45100:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,040Okay.45200:23:39,040 --> 00:23:47,960This week I'm going to make, send the email to my mentor to ask for the transfer of files45300:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,120from their computer to my secure server.45400:23:51,120 --> 00:23:52,120Okay.45500:23:52,120 --> 00:23:53,120Very good.45600:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,520You're going to ask for the transfer.45700:23:55,520 --> 00:24:01,120But wow, it turns out that you actually need to complete a DUA, a data use agreement to45800:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,240be able to request that these files be transferred to you.45900:24:04,240 --> 00:24:10,400So what you're going to put on your list for this week is I'm going to write the proposal46000:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,400or write out the DUA or complete the DUA form.46100:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,200That's on your list for the week.46200:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,880Now remember I'm just using the example of the original research manuscript.46300:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,120You're going to have a couple of goals for this particular quarter and you're going to46400:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,120put them down.46500:24:24,120 --> 00:24:25,120You're going to put them down.46600:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,800And so you're going to make up a list for your week.46700:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,000Now here's the thing.46800:24:30,000 --> 00:24:36,400Remember we said that this plan does not involve the things for which you already have accountability?46900:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,400Yes.47000:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,320When you go to make your weekly plan, this is where you first of all, the first thing47100:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,800you do is plan the things that are on your list from your three month goal, which you47200:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,120got from your one year goals.47300:24:48,120 --> 00:24:49,440You're going to write those down.47400:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,000You're going to embed them into your week.47500:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,200When is this going to happen?47600:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,560I'm going to do this thing on Monday morning or maybe you have Monday morning clinic.47700:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,840You're like, okay, on Tuesday morning, I'm going to do this because my best writing time47800:24:59,840 --> 00:25:00,840is on Tuesday morning.47900:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,840Let's do Tuesday morning.48000:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,920I'm going to write this.48100:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,280It's probably going to be the outline of this request on Tuesday.48200:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,440And then on Wednesday, I'm going to finalize it.48300:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,280And on Thursday, I'm going to send the email to my research mentor so that they can review48400:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,320it and then submit.48500:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,120So you have a plan and you put it out throughout the week.48600:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,560And what's nice is to actually spread it throughout the week.48700:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,620So you're not trying to do it all in your eight hours on Monday because most of us don't48800:25:24,620 --> 00:25:28,040have eight hours of just uninterrupted time.48900:25:28,040 --> 00:25:35,560You know that from 8 a.m. to noon on your schedule, nobody interrupts you because you49000:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,040put a block on your schedule.49100:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,580Nobody interrupts you because you actually put the block on your schedule.49200:25:39,580 --> 00:25:40,580You close the door.49300:25:40,580 --> 00:25:41,580You're out of the way.49400:25:41,580 --> 00:25:44,440And you're like, okay, in this four hour block, this is what I'm going to do.49500:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,920Most of us don't have the four hour block.49600:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,960Maybe we have an hour block.49700:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,520In this hour block, I'm going to write for 30 minutes.49800:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,500And so your weekly plan, first of all, should be populated with the things that move you49900:25:54,500 --> 00:25:58,100forward based on your three month plan and based on your one year plan.50000:25:58,100 --> 00:26:03,520And the one year plan being the things on your review list that your division chief50100:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,920wants to hear about or your chair wants to hear about.50200:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,920Okay.50300:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,200The thing you put on your weekly plan, though, is all the other stuff that's on the schedule.50400:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,640I have clinic on Monday morning.50500:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,640Okay.50600:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,960I'm putting it on my weekly plan.50700:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,280So I know the first patient.50800:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,360Oh, first patient is coming in at 830.50900:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,160I want to write by 8 a.m.51000:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,160That's on the plan.51100:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,880My daughter has soccer on Tuesday at 6 p.m.51200:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,440You put that on your weekly planning meeting.51300:26:24,440 --> 00:26:30,120And by the end of your weekly planning meeting, you have your entire plan for the week, right?51400:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,680Your entire plan for the week.51500:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,880And you know what meetings you're supposed to be on.51600:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,240You can reconcile them to your home calendar.51700:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,240I have three calendars.51800:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,240I have the home calendar.51900:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,760I have the work calendar and I have the podcasting calendar, right?52000:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,560The people who, you know, when either preparing the podcasts or interviewing for the podcast.52100:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,080So there are different calendars that you might have to reconcile to say, okay, I need52200:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,000to make sure that I'm here for this meeting and then available to do this meeting.52300:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,800So reconcile your calendar and make sure that at the end of your weekly planning meeting,52400:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,400you know exactly what you're going to do with your research and writing and you know all52500:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,200the places you need to be, what meetings you need to be to attend.52600:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,720Now I've talked a little bit about the weekly planning meeting.52700:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,360It's one of the episodes from season one.52800:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,560You can go look for it.52900:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,720If you search our website, clinicianresearcherpodcast.com, you search weekly.53000:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,080It'll be one of the podcast episodes that comes on.53100:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,400So definitely listen to that episode about how to do the weekly planning meeting.53200:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,820But that's what you do.53300:27:30,820 --> 00:27:33,000So we've talked about, we talked about a couple of things.53400:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,200Number one, we talked about planning your life.53500:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,280An important thing.53600:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,720Number two, we've talked about planning your year based on the review that you are going53700:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,800to do and sit down and do with your division chief.53800:27:44,800 --> 00:27:50,400Number three, we've talked about planning your quarter based on the things that are53900:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,140in your one year plan.54000:27:52,140 --> 00:27:55,640Number four, we have talked about planning your week.54100:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,640Okay.54200:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,700And then the last thing is planning your day.54300:27:59,700 --> 00:28:04,000So you now have the plan for your week and on your week you said Monday morning I'm going54400:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,200to do my clinic.54500:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,960And then at the end of the day on Monday I'm going to wrap up my clinic, finish all the54600:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,600calls and be done.54700:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,480So Monday morning you wake up, you look at your list, you say, all I have to focus on54800:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,720today is clinics, notes, patient callbacks.54900:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,720And that's what you do.55000:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,880Then at the end of the day Monday you look at your plan for the next day and you say,55100:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,880well, Tuesday morning I plan to do the DUA, but it turns out that my clinical research55200:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,340coordinator can help me write this piece of it.55300:28:27,340 --> 00:28:31,240So now I'm going to adjust my schedule tomorrow so I can focus on actually drafting the final55400:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,240piece of it.55500:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,720You know, I'm making this up as I go along.55600:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,600What I'm saying is that your daily plan is for a daily review, but you're not making55700:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,960a daily plan every day.55800:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,040You're just tweaking and adjusting to the weekly plan you've already made.55900:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,880So we talked about planning your life, planning your year, planning your month, I mean planning56000:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,960your quarter, planning your week and planning your day.56100:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,880Now one of the things I didn't talk about is planning your month.56200:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,920I started to say that and I remember why I don't necessarily recommend planning the month56300:28:59,920 --> 00:29:05,120because when you're planning a month, you're planning a four week period and four weeks56400:29:05,120 --> 00:29:10,040is actually a short time to accomplish goals and you can do that.56500:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,880So I'm not saying it's a wrong thing to do.56600:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,000I think in my experimentation, it's nice to have an overarching three month goal because56700:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,580of a little bit of breathing room and then the weekly goal kind of makes it really come56800:29:21,580 --> 00:29:22,720to life.56900:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,800Four weeks feels like a long stretch of time and if you're not careful, you're not necessarily57000:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,440focused on trying to accomplish the things that you need to within the time frame that57100:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,600you need to and then before you know it, four weeks is gone and maybe anyway, I think you57200:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,160should experiment with it.57300:29:38,160 --> 00:29:44,400And so I think I'm here to say I'm not saying it's not okay to plan monthly.57400:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,800I've succeeded with doing the quarterly planning, taking it into a weekly plan, but you can57500:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,960try and see what works for you.57600:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,600And the most important thing is not the plan itself, it's that you are planning because57700:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,400in planning, you have to think about it.57800:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,400What is the priority?57900:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,920What do I want to focus on?58000:30:00,920 --> 00:30:01,920Why is this important?58100:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,120And that may be the most important thing that you do in your planning.58200:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,120All right.58300:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,640Now, because you have a community of people and part of your community of people that58400:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,440are in your peer network and people who are coming after you, I want you to share this58500:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,560podcast episode with one person who's going to benefit from planning.58600:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,600Now I don't want you to share this episode in judgment saying, well, that person clearly58700:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,320needs to plan, but just saying, hey, this is an interesting podcast episode.58800:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,400Who else in our network needs to listen to it so that they can enhance their planning58900:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,080or support somebody else to do that planning?59000:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,080All right.59100:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,800I'm so excited to have been able to talk to you today and I look forward to talking with59200:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,080you again on the next episode of the Clinician Researcher podcast.59300:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,080Take care.59400:30:45,080 --> 00:30:56,840Thanks for listening to this episode of the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic59500:30:56,840 --> 00:31:02,040clinicians learn the skills to build their own research program, whether or not they59600:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,640have a mentor.59700:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,760If you found the information in this episode to be helpful, don't keep it all to yourself.59800:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,480Someone else needs to hear it.59900:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,560So take a minute right now and share it.60000:31:15,560 --> 00:31:21,000As you share this episode, you become part of our mission to help launch a new generation60100:31:21,000 --> 00:31:42,040of clinician researchers who make transformative discoveries that change the way we do healthcare.