100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,860Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills200:00:05,860 --> 00:00:11,260to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.300:00:11,260 --> 00:00:17,340As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.400:00:17,340 --> 00:00:22,380When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find500:00:22,380 --> 00:00:27,780that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research600:00:27,780 --> 00:00:29,200program.700:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,480Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.800:00:35,480 --> 00:00:40,580However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.900:00:40,580 --> 00:00:46,200For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians1000:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,800the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.1100:00:51,800 --> 00:01:01,060Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.1200:01:01,060 --> 00:01:03,720Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast.1300:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,600I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is a pleasure to be talking with you today.1400:01:07,600 --> 00:01:13,960I want to thank you for taking the time to listen to me today.1500:01:13,960 --> 00:01:20,160I'm excited to share with you some resources that got me started on my research journey.1600:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,880I will tell you that when I first started in my early career transitioning from fellow1700:01:24,880 --> 00:01:30,800to faculty, I didn't realize how much growth in career development or professional development1800:01:30,800 --> 00:01:31,840I would need to do.1900:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,840I had no idea.2000:01:32,840 --> 00:01:38,480I mean, you know, you're going through the motions of your training and you're just,2100:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,760you know, hitting all the milestones, right?2200:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,160As a medical student, there are all these milestones you meet and then you graduate2300:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,480and then same for your residency and your fellowship.2400:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,480So you're always progressing.2500:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,520When you get to your faculty career, one thing that happens that I didn't immediately recognize2600:01:53,520 --> 00:01:59,360is that I became responsible for my growth and development as a faculty member.2700:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,720And I don't think I really appreciated how much it was dependent on me to figure that2800:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,720out.2900:02:04,720 --> 00:02:11,240And so a lot of the resources that helped me in my transition, that helped me get started3000:02:11,240 --> 00:02:17,080on my research journey, really came to me to some extent serendipitously.3100:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,160I didn't really intentionally create these opportunities.3200:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,760At least I, in retrospect, I could have been more intentional about creating them.3300:02:25,760 --> 00:02:31,560And so I want to share some of them with you because, you know, I think it's important3400:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,120for you to recognize how many opportunities there are.3500:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,840And look, I will tell them any of the opportunities I'm going to share with you today are actually3600:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,240specific to hematology.3700:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,720I'm a hematologist.3800:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,400I in general have looked for career development awards and career development programs that3900:02:47,400 --> 00:02:52,760have enhanced my ability to be a great hematologist, my research areas in hematology.4000:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,440And so that's why I look for opportunities in hematology.4100:02:55,440 --> 00:03:01,280So I'm going to share some examples of resources that I personally experienced that have helped4200:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,280me.4300:03:02,280 --> 00:03:08,600But these are not necessarily focused, or at least my goal is not to tell you what hematology4400:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,440resources are available.4500:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,960My goal is to give you a sense of all the resources you should be looking out for that4600:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,200could possibly help you advance.4700:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,800And so these are, that's kind of my disclaimer as I get started sharing these episodes with4800:03:22,800 --> 00:03:23,920you.4900:03:23,920 --> 00:03:29,400So I will tell you that my very earliest career development or professional development workshops5000:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,960were doing residency.5100:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,320Actually, I take that back.5200:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,360They were doing fellowship because fellowship was the time at which I started thinking about,5300:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,920OK, moving on to the next phase.5400:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,680You know, when you go to fellowship, you're taking what's already a specialty and you're5500:03:44,680 --> 00:03:45,680going deeper.5600:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,280You're doing a subspecialty.5700:03:48,280 --> 00:03:53,800And you've kind of decided that you're going to do something a little bit, well, I shouldn't5800:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,880say unique because in all of medicine, what we do is unique, even when it's general.5900:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,600So even when you're a general internist, you can see a unique population.6000:04:01,600 --> 00:04:07,080You don't have to be a subspecialty fellow, or you don't have to do a subspecialty fellowship6100:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,720to be able to do that.6200:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,600But when you do do a subspecialty fellowship, you're kind of, you know, you're narrowing6300:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,640down the focus quite a bit.6400:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,020And so you think a lot more about your career and you think a lot more about opportunities.6500:04:19,020 --> 00:04:25,640And because of the way ACGME, and that's the Association of Colleges and Graduate Medical6600:04:25,640 --> 00:04:34,600Education, I believe, if I'm wrong, please just show me grace, I will put the right abbreviation6700:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,960in the show notes.6800:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,600But the ACGME is, I mean, they've got specific requirements, right, in fellowship.6900:04:41,600 --> 00:04:47,040And so we do, you know, a set number of months of clinical training, then a set number of7000:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,260months of research, if research is part of your fellowship.7100:04:51,260 --> 00:04:54,160And so there is flexibility in that.7200:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,320It's to some extent a lot more elective time than you probably had in residency.7300:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,780And it's not really elective time like elective time as much as it's really research elective7400:05:02,780 --> 00:05:03,780time.7500:05:03,780 --> 00:05:06,120So it's opportunities to grow in research.7600:05:06,120 --> 00:05:12,240So anyways, during my fellowship that I first did a very focused trainee workshop.7700:05:12,240 --> 00:05:17,800It was the Hemostasis and Thrombosis Research Society trainee workshop, HTRS workshop.7800:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,800And this workshop was done at least twice a year at that time.7900:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,800One of them was before a major animal meeting.8000:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,840It wasn't even research focused.8100:05:25,840 --> 00:05:30,800It was really just about thinking about clinical cases and hematology.8200:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,800And I'm not even sure why I applied, but there was an opportunity that came across my desk8300:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,960and I thought, oh, this would be great.8400:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,640I think at the time, they probably paid for you to go to the animal meeting.8500:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,680I don't recall all the benefits, but you know, there were benefits that I thought were interesting8600:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,680to me.8700:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,080I was not thinking, let me go here and advance my research career.8800:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,880That was definitely not my thought at the time.8900:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,120I was very focused on, you know, I get to go to a meeting and someone's going to pay9000:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,960for something and I'm going to, you know, connect with others.9100:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,800So it was just an opportunity.9200:06:04,800 --> 00:06:05,800And I went.9300:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,860And at the time, I didn't recognize how helpful it was.9400:06:08,860 --> 00:06:14,220But now in retrospect, I can say anything that brings you outside of your institution9500:06:14,220 --> 00:06:18,800and connecting with people at other institutions is beneficial to your professional development9600:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,720and your career.9700:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,480Anything that brings you in contact with other faculty at other institutions who do things9800:06:25,480 --> 00:06:31,200differently from the way you do them at your institution, it is always of great benefit9900:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,060to your career.10000:06:33,060 --> 00:06:39,360And so even though I cannot trace my research growth to that experience, at least not that10100:06:39,360 --> 00:06:46,860I recall, I do know that it was an important milestone in just practicing taking opportunities10200:06:46,860 --> 00:06:48,860that expose you to other people.10300:06:48,860 --> 00:06:53,360And this really is the theme of many of the many of the resources that I am sharing with10400:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,360you today.10500:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,240The first, the first was Hemostasis and Therambosis Research Society trainee workshop.10600:06:59,240 --> 00:07:05,840And it was my first of many experiences around moving forward and just thinking about my10700:07:05,840 --> 00:07:10,800career in light of not just one institution, but really in the bigger picture of academic10800:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,540medicine.10900:07:12,540 --> 00:07:18,440The second one also is an hematology focused one, and that was the Hematology Fellows Consortium.11000:07:18,440 --> 00:07:24,240And this was actually run by a wonderful physician named Craig Kessler.11100:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,440He may still be doing it right now.11200:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,200It's been a while since I've thought about it.11300:07:28,200 --> 00:07:34,880But it was a really great opportunity for us as fellows to bring a research question11400:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,200and get guidance in expanding that research question.11500:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,680And you know, as clinicians, I feel like we understand research and we recognize that11600:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,120there are many questions to be answered.11700:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,000I think what we don't recognize, or at least for me what I didn't recognize, is how big11800:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,800the gap was in terms of the things that I should have known and the things I did know.11900:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,840I did not recognize how big that gap was.12000:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,000And so it seemed, you know, straightforward that I would go for this two to three day12100:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,960workshop and I would come back with a project that I could execute.12200:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,660And to some extent, maybe the program was ambitious, or maybe I was the one who was12300:08:12,660 --> 00:08:16,600thinking that this two to three day program would change everything about research.12400:08:16,600 --> 00:08:25,800The reality is it takes time to really get involved in research, to really grow research12500:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,080program, to really narrow down a question.12600:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,680And two to three days doesn't help you get there.12700:08:31,680 --> 00:08:38,480But two to three days is a helpful start because when you start to accumulate two to three12800:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,680days of different workshops that help you continue thinking about your problem, it really,12900:08:43,680 --> 00:08:46,400really, really does go a long way.13000:08:46,400 --> 00:08:51,280And so the Hematology Fellows Consortium was really the first opportunity I had to bring13100:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,800a research problem that I wanted to address.13200:08:54,800 --> 00:09:01,120One of the challenges with my attendance of that program at the time is that what I wanted13300:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,880to do was still evolving.13400:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,240And I think that's a challenge.13500:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,240But it's okay.13600:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,240It's okay because you learn tools that are applicable no matter what your research project13700:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,240is.13800:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,240But it would go so much further if you were very clear what population you wanted to contribute13900:09:15,240 --> 00:09:20,800to and how you would contribute to them and what resources are available to you.14000:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,400So I would say that I wish I was in a more mature place at the time to take advantage14100:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,120of all the goodness that came from that program.14200:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,120But I was not.14300:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,840I learned from it still.14400:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,760I wish I had a project that I was going to continue longitudinally.14500:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,120But I definitely learned from it.14600:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,480So I would say that programs like that are helpful.14700:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,800They help you think about your research.14800:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,200They help you focus on your research.14900:09:43,200 --> 00:09:49,240But it is important to recognize that these programs are limited in how far they can take15000:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,440you because of how short the period is.15100:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,160And so many times at these programs, they'll say, you've got to go back to your mentors.15200:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,120And to be honest, it's real.15300:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,160You get help and then you go back to the help that you should already have on ground.15400:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,880And if you don't have it on ground, then you think about how do I build it?15500:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,840And so definitely the Hematology Fellows Consortium run by Craig Kessler was a really great resource.15600:10:12,840 --> 00:10:18,040It was a starting point for me really thinking about my project and thinking about bringing15700:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,280other people in to help me think deeply about my project.15800:10:21,280 --> 00:10:22,280OK.15900:10:22,280 --> 00:10:27,800So that, again, was another Hematology focused opportunity.16000:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,040The third Hematology focused opportunity I want to share is the ASH Clinical Research16100:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,040Training Institute.16200:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,680That's the American Society of Hematology Clinical Research Training Institute.16300:10:36,680 --> 00:10:42,320And this was another one of those, which at this time was actually a year long program.16400:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,320We had a two week workshop.16500:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,480It was either one or two weeks in La Jolla, California.16600:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,640I think it was a week.16700:10:48,640 --> 00:10:56,800And we would develop our projects alongside a cadre of outstanding faculty and biostatisticians16800:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,480helping you really think deeply about your project.16900:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,320And again, this was one of those, you know, a little bit longer than the Hematology Fellows17000:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,400Consortium.17100:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,320And it was one of those opportunities where you could just sit with your project that17200:11:12,320 --> 00:11:19,120you're working on and really get help to, like, enhance it and ask the right questions17300:11:19,120 --> 00:11:24,920and narrow down your research question and, you know, make the scope smaller.17400:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,040And again, for me, it was very helpful.17500:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,560I got to connect with mentors.17600:11:29,560 --> 00:11:31,200I got to connect with classmates.17700:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,680In fact, one of my peer mentors and I wrote a paper as a result of that program.17800:11:35,680 --> 00:11:38,120So it was really, really useful.17900:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,760And I also wish I understood what I really wanted to do, what the opportunities were18000:11:42,760 --> 00:11:48,960for me, because I ended up not being able to take that project forward.18100:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,100And for that reason, it felt like that time was wasted.18200:11:52,100 --> 00:11:53,800The time is never wasted.18300:11:53,800 --> 00:11:59,720So it felt to me at the time that it was wasted, but it's never wasted because every time you18400:11:59,720 --> 00:12:06,000take a project and think through how to make it better, how to narrow the question, how18500:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,240to narrow the focus so that you can more easily answer it, it's a skill that you will always18600:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,600apply to your research over and over again.18700:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,520And right now in retrospect, I can say I'm not sure how much I got out of that.18800:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,600But part of that is because there are many foundational steps to your growth as a clinician18900:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,260researcher or as a clinician scientist.19000:12:24,260 --> 00:12:29,600And sometimes you forget what pieces came together to help you be who you needed to19100:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,600be, right?19200:12:30,600 --> 00:12:31,600You forget.19300:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,920You forget that the alphabet used to be super hard at some point.19400:12:34,920 --> 00:12:40,200You forget that some special songs that your parents sang with you allowed you to really19500:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,760learn it in a way that now you're like, what?19600:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,720You mean there was a time I never knew the alphabet?19700:12:44,720 --> 00:12:45,720Huh?19800:12:45,720 --> 00:12:46,720Wonder what that was like.19900:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,720It's kind of the same experience.20000:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,880It was like, I don't think that was helpful, but it was helpful.20100:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,840It's just hard for you to say that on the other side of your experience where now you20200:12:55,840 --> 00:13:02,080have so much experience accumulated, you're not even sure which experience really contributed20300:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,880to really moving you forward in a big way.20400:13:04,880 --> 00:13:05,880Okay.20500:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,560So up until this point, I've named three that are very specific to hematology.20600:13:09,560 --> 00:13:14,040I am going to go ahead and I'll talk about others that are not specific to hematology,20700:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,800but I want to say also that whatever your subspecialty or your primary specialty, there's20800:13:18,800 --> 00:13:24,020always an interest group available that wants to support clinicians who are making this20900:13:24,020 --> 00:13:26,000transition to research.21000:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,160And so your societies have them.21100:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,480Actually, it's mostly societies because I think these are three that are specific to21200:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,960societies that I've been part of.21300:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,520Though the one by Craig Kessler, the Hematology Fellows Consortium was actually supported by21400:13:39,520 --> 00:13:46,600industry, was not necessarily tied to a specific foundation, though it partnered with foundations21500:13:46,600 --> 00:13:47,600as well.21600:13:47,600 --> 00:13:52,840So you probably have a couple of these through your medical societies, whether your state21700:13:52,840 --> 00:13:59,160medical societies, through industry funding as far as partners in industry, but you definitely21800:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,480have access to these and I recommend that if you don't know about them, you go looking21900:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,080because they definitely exist.22000:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,760And yes, you may be thinking, oh my gosh, they're so competitive.22100:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,360You are competitive.22200:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,200And that's why you should go out and pursue these opportunities so that you can get them22300:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,640and get started on your research journey.22400:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,880Okay, those were three specifically focused in Hematology.22500:14:22,880 --> 00:14:23,960The fourth one was not.22600:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,640So the fourth one was an NIH diversity supplement.22700:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,680And this was my first major award as a faculty member.22800:14:30,680 --> 00:14:37,240And it was a major award because it was the first award that actually bought me protected22900:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,240time.23000:14:38,240 --> 00:14:43,200That's why it was a major award and that's why it was a really, really, really important23100:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,200award.23200:14:44,200 --> 00:14:51,360So protected time is so critical to the emerging researcher, whether you are a PhD researcher,23300:14:51,360 --> 00:14:57,920an MD-PhD researcher, or an MD-only researcher, protected time is critical because when you23400:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,560don't have protected time, it means that you are mostly focused doing clinical work if23500:15:03,560 --> 00:15:08,040you're a clinician teaching, maybe if you're a PhD researcher, but you're focused doing23600:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,640other things other than your research.23700:15:10,640 --> 00:15:16,320So protected time buys you time during your workday to be able to move your research forward23800:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,880and to do your research training.23900:15:18,880 --> 00:15:26,160And so that's why some of the most important awards are really awards that give you, like24000:15:26,160 --> 00:15:32,360cover part of your salary so that your daytime hours can be spent growing in the research24100:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,800that you want to do, moving the research forward and then growing as a researcher as well.24200:15:37,800 --> 00:15:44,360And so the NIH diversity supplement, which I got as part of a mentor's R01 grant, was24300:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,440so critical because it was the first time I actually had time during the day to move24400:15:49,440 --> 00:15:50,440research forward.24500:15:50,440 --> 00:15:56,080It was such a pivotal grant and there are many opportunities for diversity supplements24600:15:56,080 --> 00:16:02,320and what you really need to do is connect with a mentor who already has an other R0124700:16:02,320 --> 00:16:09,760equivalent or higher grant and carve out a project within the larger grant and then it's24800:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,960usually at least at the time was an administrative review.24900:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,600So it's not the typical grant that goes in for like a major peer review where things25000:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,300can get triaged.25100:16:20,300 --> 00:16:25,200It generally I think has a higher likelihood of funding as long as you have a reasonable25200:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,760project that fits within the landscape of the project of the parent grant.25300:16:29,760 --> 00:16:36,520And so an NIH diversity supplement was one of the most important first steps for me as25400:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,240far as like a stepping stone towards really moving forward in research in a way that was25500:16:41,240 --> 00:16:42,240substantial.25600:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,240Okay.25700:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,560The fourth, that was the fourth one.25800:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,120Okay, the fifth one, it was an NIH K-12 award.25900:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,240Now again it was an NIH award and this was an institutional award.26000:16:54,240 --> 00:17:00,400And so a K-12 award typically is a career development award that's given to institutions,26100:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,800not to individuals.26200:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,800And institutions have their own processes for how to put individuals on it and usually26300:17:06,800 --> 00:17:12,880they are reserved for faculty who want to get more training and research.26400:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,920And I don't think they're limited to PhD versus MD.26500:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,360I think as long as you are a faculty member who is moving forward in a research program,26600:17:21,360 --> 00:17:24,840the NIH K-12 could be an opportunity for you.26700:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,320Now there are different K-12s.26800:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,120At the time I was on a hematology focused K-12.26900:17:29,120 --> 00:17:32,520It's a hematology and transfusion medicine focused K-12.27000:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,320There are other K-12 programs at different institutions.27100:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,600And so think about your institution.27200:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,280Does your institution have a K-12 award?27300:17:41,280 --> 00:17:48,360And inquire as to what it takes to apply to be a K-12 scholar.27400:17:48,360 --> 00:17:53,680Now some institutions have a lot of scholars applying for the same awards and some institutions27500:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,920have few scholars.27600:17:54,920 --> 00:18:02,040And so the competition is really mostly internal and it's important to talk with whoever is27700:18:02,040 --> 00:18:10,280the director of the K-12 or the PI of the K-12 to think about how you potentially could27800:18:10,280 --> 00:18:15,540submit a competitive application so that you can take advantage of the K-12 award.27900:18:15,540 --> 00:18:22,820So that was an institutional award that usually is administered by PI within the institution28000:18:22,820 --> 00:18:26,560and so candidates are selected through an internal process.28100:18:26,560 --> 00:18:32,040And that was a major award for me because it further protected my time and now really28200:18:32,040 --> 00:18:37,600allowed me to start to conceive and move my projects forward in a way that I had not until28300:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,000this point.28400:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,080Another Career Development Award that I want to highlight is the AAMC Minority Faculty28500:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,400Leadership Development Seminar.28600:18:47,400 --> 00:18:53,080Now this is not necessarily a research focused seminar but it was really helpful for me to28700:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,320think about my career.28800:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,400It was in a sense it was stepping back from oh I'm trying to do research, I'm trying to28900:18:59,400 --> 00:19:05,720get grant funding, I'm trying to do manuscripts to really thinking about and conceptualizing29000:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,100my career is a big thing which is important.29100:19:10,100 --> 00:19:14,080It's really thinking about hey I know you're very focused on this aspect of your career29200:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,000whether that's clinical or whether that's just research but think about your career29300:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,680in the big picture.29400:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,840This was like a two to three day award but it was helpful because at that time I had29500:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,640been a faculty member for at least a couple of years and it was helpful to step into that29600:19:28,640 --> 00:19:34,280space having now a framework of what it meant to move my own career forward and having people29700:19:34,280 --> 00:19:40,080give me insight and advice on how to really take my career to the next level.29800:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,920So this was not necessarily a research focused career development opportunity but it really29900:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,960was a career development opportunity focused on my career as a whole and it really helped30000:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,960me think strategically about how I was building my career making sure that I was moving in30100:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,880the direction I wanted to move in.30200:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,900So in our faculty jobs we will always be moving in a direction whether it's direction you30300:20:01,900 --> 00:20:06,680want to be moving in or not is what is up in the air.30400:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,360So the AAMC Minority Faculty Leadership Development Seminar was very helpful for me.30500:20:12,360 --> 00:20:18,360Now I will say that the AAMC puts out a bunch of these leadership development seminars.30600:20:18,360 --> 00:20:22,600Some of them are for mid-career faculty, some of them are for early career faculty.30700:20:22,600 --> 00:20:29,800There are different ones and they will change over time but definitely look at AAMC opportunities30800:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,960to really advance your career development.30900:20:34,960 --> 00:20:41,520One that I have done really recently is C-Change and that is I think C stands for culture so31000:20:41,520 --> 00:20:46,260culture change and that comes out of Brandeis University and it's led by a wonderful woman31100:20:46,260 --> 00:20:52,480named Linda Palloli and I came to the C-Change Institute, gosh I can't say serendipitously31200:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,080because many of these things I guess they could be serendipitous but usually you're31300:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,720either on a listserv where people are sending you information and if you're not you should31400:21:01,720 --> 00:21:07,280get on one or you have colleagues who participated and they are sharing their insights or they31500:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,560said it was a great program and so you start to think about it.31600:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,080This was definitely one of those that was very, very helpful.31700:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,760It was a group of about 16, they take 16 faculty a year.31800:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,520I think our group was a little bit smaller than 16 but really it's just really thinking31900:21:24,520 --> 00:21:31,240about your career, conceptualizing your career as a whole and I think it's especially relevant32000:21:31,240 --> 00:21:36,080for mid-career faculty where there's almost like a mid-career slump, kind of like a mid-career32100:21:36,080 --> 00:21:41,040crisis, right, where you start as an early career faculty and people know you need help32200:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,400and they're directing a lot of resources at you as opposed to, you know, when you get32300:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,120to the senior level where you just know what you're doing or you're very connected, you32400:21:49,120 --> 00:21:53,180know about things before everybody else knows about them, the mid-career can be a place32500:21:53,180 --> 00:21:56,400where you don't have as many resources targeted towards you.32600:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,960So it was really helpful because it gave us an opportunity to stop and say, well, you32700:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,800know what, we've accomplished some successes up until this point of mid-career but what's32800:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,800next?32900:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,800Where do we want to take this?33000:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,600How far do we want to go?33100:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,920Is this what we want to be doing?33200:22:11,920 --> 00:22:18,760And so it was a really, really powerful experience of thinking about our careers in a really33300:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,640amazing way and I actually just finished that program this year and it's been really awesome33400:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,640and life-changing.33500:22:24,640 --> 00:22:25,680Okay.33600:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,020So those are seven resources that really got me started on my research journey or have33700:22:30,020 --> 00:22:32,680enhanced my research journey over time.33800:22:32,680 --> 00:22:38,240I'll summarize the seven, the Hemostasis and Therbosis Research Society Training Workshop,33900:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,120Hematology Fellows Consortium, and ASH Clinical Research Training Institute.34000:22:42,120 --> 00:22:45,520That's the American Society of Hematology Clinical Research Training Institute.34100:22:45,520 --> 00:22:51,120Those are three examples of various subspecialty-specific opportunities which you probably have in your34200:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,160own subspecialty if you're not a hematologist.34300:22:55,160 --> 00:23:00,760And then other ones that are not necessarily specific to hematology are the NIH Diversity34400:23:00,760 --> 00:23:06,040Supplement which is available really to all faculty at eligible institutions, NIH K-1234500:23:06,040 --> 00:23:15,280Award which sits within institutes, centers, or departments and are administered internally,34600:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,800and then the AAMC Minority Faculty Leadership Development Seminar as an example of many,34700:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,600many AAMC offerings that are available.34800:23:24,600 --> 00:23:30,080And then C-Change, Culture Change coming out of Brandeis University with Linda Pololi.34900:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,360So those are really, really great resources.35000:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,280I will say that I've just listed a few.35100:23:34,280 --> 00:23:39,960These are not an exhaustive list of the resources I've taken advantage of in my transition from35200:23:39,960 --> 00:23:46,020clinician to research leadership, but these are just a smattering that I wanted to share35300:23:46,020 --> 00:23:47,020with you.35400:23:47,020 --> 00:23:50,640I imagine that especially if you're not in hematology, you've had access to a couple35500:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,480of other career development or leadership development workshops or opportunities that35600:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,760I have not mentioned.35700:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,560I would love to hear about them.35800:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,900Please send me a DM, leave me a voicemail on the podcast website, or even send me a35900:24:03,900 --> 00:24:08,980message through the podcast website so that you can also be a part of it, or at least36000:24:08,980 --> 00:24:13,800you can share with me experiences that you've had in your forward motion in your career.36100:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,800All right.36200:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,560It's been a pleasure talking with you today.36300:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,320I did want to announce, if I haven't already, that I have another webinar coming up when36400:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,400you don't have a research mentor, and that's happening December 20th, and it's happening36500:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,000at noon Eastern.36600:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,040I hope that you will sign up.36700:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,840Information about it is on our podcast website, ClinicianResearcherPodcast.com, or you can36800:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,100find it at CoagCoach.com slash events hyphen one.36900:24:39,100 --> 00:24:40,960If you just look for events, you can find it.37000:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,960All right.37100:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,240It's been a pleasure to talk with you today.37200:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,880Thank you for listening.37300:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,360I look forward to hearing about your experiences as you take advantage of career development37400:24:50,360 --> 00:24:53,360resources to move your career forward.37500:24:53,360 --> 00:25:05,200Have a great, great day, and I'll see you again on the next episode.37600:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,560Thanks for listening to this episode of the Clinician Researcher Podcast, where academic37700:25:10,560 --> 00:25:16,280clinicians learn the skills to build their own research program, whether or not they37800:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,360have a mentor.37900:25:17,360 --> 00:25:23,480If you found the information in this episode to be helpful, don't keep it all to 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