Why you should take ownership of your own career

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,860Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills200:00:05,860 --> 00:00:11,260to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.300:00:11,260 --> 00:00:17,340As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.400:00:17,340 --> 00:00:22,380When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find500:00:22,380 --> 00:00:27,780that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research600:00:27,780 --> 00:00:29,200program.700:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,480Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.800:00:35,480 --> 00:00:40,580However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.900:00:40,580 --> 00:00:46,200For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians1000:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,800the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.1100:00:51,800 --> 00:01:01,040Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.1200:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,680Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast.1300:01:03,680 --> 00:01:09,440I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is a pleasure to be talking with you today.1400:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,120Today I'm talking about the importance of taking ownership of your own career, why you1500:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,760should take ownership of your career.1600:01:17,760 --> 00:01:23,000And one of the reasons that I want to share this with you today is because of my prior1700:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,000experience with myself.1800:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,760I'm telling on myself today.1900:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,920So when I first started, I think I had the sense that someone was going to come and give2000:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,320me the career I wanted, and that someone was going to be a mentor.2100:01:36,320 --> 00:01:41,960And you know, people talk about mentors in a way that many times I feel like, oh my gosh,2200:01:41,960 --> 00:01:43,480I wish I had such a mentor.2300:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,040And I think many of us probably feel that way.2400:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,040It's like, oh.2500:01:46,040 --> 00:01:52,760But then actually, I take that back because many people do have those amazing mentors2600:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,960who like if you literally just give them your career in a platter, they'll just take it2700:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,240and make it something amazing and awesome.2800:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,480But I think by and large, the experience may not be exactly that.2900:02:05,480 --> 00:02:11,880And even if you do find a mentor who really is amazing and pours into you and does so3000:02:11,880 --> 00:02:18,200much for you, at the end of the day, the reality is that it's not the mentor's career.3100:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,200It's your career.3200:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,880And so I started to tell on myself as an I was that person who really felt like it was3300:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,560somebody else's responsibility to move my career forward.3400:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,920And so whenever I had a disappointing experience in a mentoring relationship, I blamed the3500:02:31,920 --> 00:02:32,920mentor.3600:02:32,920 --> 00:02:37,700I was like, well, if this mentor could do would have done better for me, then my life3700:02:37,700 --> 00:02:39,080would be so much better.3800:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,800And to be honest, at the end of the day, nobody owes me anything.3900:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,160And so I was childish in those relationships.4000:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,920And I think the reality of life is that if you will not make your way forward, nobody4100:02:51,920 --> 00:02:55,160else is responsible for helping you move it forward.4200:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,760And it's important to recognize that.4300:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,280And it's important to acknowledge that.4400:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,000So anyway, so I want to just share with you some thoughts about the reason why it's important4500:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,000for you to take ownership of your own career and whether or not you have a great mentor4600:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,900or not a great mentor doesn't matter.4700:03:11,900 --> 00:03:16,760Because ultimately, since you are the one in charge, you can make it work whether or4800:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,600not you have the mentor you're looking for.4900:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,640And I think it's important to recognize that mentors can provide guidance and support and5000:03:23,640 --> 00:03:27,920some do some so amazing and awesome and they really take your career and help you run with5100:03:27,920 --> 00:03:29,060it.5200:03:29,060 --> 00:03:33,420It's really important that you are actively involved in shaping your own career because5300:03:33,420 --> 00:03:35,920it's yours.5400:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,560And no one's ever going to be invested in your career like you are.5500:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,560And even when your mentor is wonderful and everybody doesn't have a mentor like that,5600:03:44,560 --> 00:03:50,180being the one to take ownership of your career is responsible because it's important because5700:03:50,180 --> 00:03:51,520it is your career.5800:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,800It is your career.5900:03:53,800 --> 00:03:59,600So I want to share first that your career is your personal responsibility.6000:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,800It really is.6100:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,480And I think the lines get blurred after medical school.6200:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,960So when we are pursuing the whole path to medical school, that is so easy to stay focused.6300:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,080You're like, this is my dream.6400:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,080This is my dream.6500:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,080This is what I want to do.6600:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,080Great.6700:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,640You're not asking your mentors in college to do it for you or to tell you how to go6800:04:19,640 --> 00:04:20,640or to do.6900:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,900I mean, you might go to them for advice, but you're the one writing all the essays.7000:04:24,900 --> 00:04:26,520You're the one going on the interviews.7100:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,360You're the one spending money out of pocket.7200:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,560Maybe now you're not having to do that.7300:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,400But you really have been responsible.7400:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,680And then all of a sudden you get into this place called residency where it's just like,7500:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,720well, here's how you get from the beginning to the end.7600:04:40,720 --> 00:04:41,840And then you get to fellowship.7700:04:41,840 --> 00:04:43,680It's like, oh, here's how you get to the beginning to the end.7800:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,880And then you start to feel like, well, maybe a program is in charge of your career.7900:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,960And sometimes we also get that when we're like, oh, this medical school is going to8000:04:51,960 --> 00:04:52,960make me.8100:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,040Oh my goodness, this is a top tier medical school.8200:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,360Therefore, my career is going to be amazing.8300:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,640And we forget that people fail out of top tier programs.8400:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,640Right?8500:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,520And the people who don't fail out, the people who really put in the work and the energy8600:05:05,520 --> 00:05:06,520and the effort.8700:05:06,520 --> 00:05:12,840And yes, I acknowledge the space of good fortune and not having a major illness or a major8800:05:12,840 --> 00:05:13,840life event.8900:05:13,840 --> 00:05:19,240But for the most part, if you succeed at the end of your training, it's not because the9000:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,780institution made you succeed, it's because you succeeded.9100:05:22,780 --> 00:05:27,680And so it becomes more obvious that it's up to us to succeed when we enter into faculty9200:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,040careers where you find out that people are not thinking about you as much as you are9300:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,440thinking about yourself.9400:05:33,440 --> 00:05:34,560And it makes sense.9500:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,120It's not their careers, it's yours.9600:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,120And so it's important to take personal responsibility for your career.9700:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,120Mentors are great.9800:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,440They offer advice, they offer assistance, they help you, they show you things you've9900:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,240never done before.10000:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,760They can't actually make decisions for you, not in a way that's effective.10100:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,380Because if this person is a research mentor, your life is so much bigger than just the10200:05:56,380 --> 00:05:58,040research you do.10300:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,880What about your family concerns?10400:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,520What about relationship concerns?10500:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,880What about your challenges with children?10600:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,080Or maybe you're trying to have children and you're having to go through all the stuff10700:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,280to make it happen.10800:06:10,280 --> 00:06:16,000Your research mentor is not the person who can take all of your career and take all of10900:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,640your life and decide the direction of your career.11000:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,480So it really is your personal responsibility and it's important for you to step up to it11100:06:23,480 --> 00:06:29,280because no one is going to take personal responsibility for your career like you can.11200:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,360No one's going to do that.11300:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,280And if they do, are they going to make the best decisions for you given everything that's11400:06:36,280 --> 00:06:41,560going on in your life, not given the narrow lens and the narrow window of this research11500:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,360career that you're undertaking?11600:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,240Because your research career is important, but your life exists within the context, within11700:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,240a greater context.11800:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,200And so that's important for you to take that personal responsibility.11900:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,640Okay.12000:06:54,640 --> 00:07:02,040The other thing is the importance of you directing your journey, the importance of you directing12100:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,040your journey.12200:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,080And it does go back to what we talked about earlier.12300:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,120It's that you are one person and you are so big.12400:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,720You're so huge in the sense that the scope of you is huge.12500:07:14,720 --> 00:07:23,920So there's the spiritual existential part of you that's not part of your research program,12600:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,280but it's an integral part.12700:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,280It just permeates all that you do.12800:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,880And it's not necessarily something you take to a research mentor to help navigate for12900:07:33,880 --> 00:07:34,880you.13000:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,000And that's one piece of it.13100:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,120And how about having fun?13200:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,760Where you go on vacation, who you hang out with.13300:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,160I don't know about you, but that's not something I would bring to a mentor to help you make13400:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,240decisions.13500:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,160But sometimes the stuff that's going on in the research lab or in the research program13600:07:51,160 --> 00:07:52,960may affect your ability to travel.13700:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,960It's like, oh, this is great conference.13800:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,200You should go there.13900:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,600It's coming up in three weeks.14000:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,200And in three weeks, you have the vacation of a lifetime to Aruba, but you don't want14100:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,400to disappoint the mentor.14200:08:03,400 --> 00:08:04,400What do you do?14300:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,460For some of you, the answers to that question is super easy.14400:08:07,460 --> 00:08:08,800It's like, of course I go to Aruba.14500:08:08,800 --> 00:08:09,800What are you kidding me?14600:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,480But some of you don't actually, you're not sure.14700:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,320You're like, well, well, maybe.14800:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,600And no judgment here.14900:08:21,600 --> 00:08:29,400But it's just saying that because you're the one who has the scope of the whole thing,15000:08:29,400 --> 00:08:35,480you know, your relationship challenges or your parenting challenges or your caring for15100:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,560aging parents challenges.15200:08:37,560 --> 00:08:39,520You know all of that.15300:08:39,520 --> 00:08:46,040And so there is no one better able to bring it all together to make sure that your work15400:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,560is meaningful and fulfilling and really serves the other areas of your life.15500:08:50,560 --> 00:08:57,320And I don't know about you, there are not very many people you can trust or should trust15600:08:57,320 --> 00:09:02,640with every aspect of your life because no one person is that powerful.15700:09:02,640 --> 00:09:08,080No one person has that capacity to be able to take all of you and make decisions for15800:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,080you.15900:09:09,080 --> 00:09:15,360So it's important that you are directing your own journey and navigating your own way forward.16000:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,360Okay.16100:09:16,360 --> 00:09:21,520The other reason it's important for you to take ownership of your career is the need16200:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,800for being adaptable and resilient.16300:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,280Look, this work is hard and sometimes you have to pivot or sometimes you have to burn16400:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,880the boat and jump.16500:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,160Nobody can make that happen for you or nobody can do it on your behalf.16600:09:39,160 --> 00:09:45,520If everything breaks down and you are left with nothing, it's you.16700:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,480It's on you.16800:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,760And it's challenging.16900:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,760Sometimes the research we're pursuing doesn't work and we have to make the painful shift17000:09:54,760 --> 00:10:00,960to a different research area or to a different mentoring opportunity.17100:10:00,960 --> 00:10:07,920And really the gift is ours, the gift of building resilience, the gift of adapting is ours.17200:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,320And it's great when we can share those opportunities with mentors who can lead us and show us the17300:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,320right direction.17400:10:14,320 --> 00:10:19,000And even if they don't exist or even if maybe a mentor is the cause of something that comes17500:10:19,000 --> 00:10:25,920crashing down, you have the opportunity to grow in your resilience because you are taking17600:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,200ownership of your career.17700:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,040You're not looking for someone else to tell you whether you can move forward or not.17800:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,380You're deciding you can move forward and you're the one moving forward.17900:10:34,380 --> 00:10:36,880And that is really, really empowering.18000:10:36,880 --> 00:10:37,880Okay.18100:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,320Another thing is the importance of you continuing to learn.18200:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,500Because you are leading and taking ownership of your career, you have to learn what's needed18300:10:47,500 --> 00:10:50,880for the next step and the next step and the next step after that.18400:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,760And sometimes it is a little bit anxiety provoking because it's like, no, just show me what to18500:10:54,760 --> 00:10:55,760do.18600:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,640It's better if you show me what to do.18700:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,880But it's like exercising muscles in the gym, right?18800:11:01,880 --> 00:11:07,280The more challenges you bring to this muscle, the better the definition of this muscle,18900:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,960the more amazing this muscle looks.19000:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,440And so continuous learning is the muscle that you're building as you're building your research19100:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,080program.19200:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,440You know how to find the information you need.19300:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,440And therefore, whenever challenges come up, you go after the information you need so that19400:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,240you can solve the problem.19500:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,240You become a problem solver for your own career.19600:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,440And so the opportunity to continuously learn rather than say, hey, just teach me all I19700:11:34,440 --> 00:11:39,560need to know is great because lifelong learning is a skill you're always going to be building19800:11:39,560 --> 00:11:42,400no matter where you find yourself.19900:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,320You are on an ongoing journey.20000:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,400You're growing, you're developing.20100:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,720And so as you're taking ownership, it means you start to look for opportunities to learn20200:11:51,720 --> 00:11:57,680new skills, to develop new skills, to develop new strategies, to move your work forward.20300:11:57,680 --> 00:12:03,080And in a sense, it's you becoming the leader and the director of your boat, the captain20400:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,080of your own enterprise.20500:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,040You're like, what do I need to move forward?20600:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,200Oh, this thing about hiring and firing is really hard.20700:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,600How do I go get the knowledge that I need for that?20800:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,520And it really helps you kind of like stay resilient and like continue to think about,20900:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,040OK, how do I move forward?21000:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,340Where do I go get this knowledge?21100:12:19,340 --> 00:12:21,120Who has access to it?21200:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,360Rather than trying to get it all from one person.21300:12:23,360 --> 00:12:29,040And so it just helps you kind of exercise the muscle of continuous learning, of continuous21400:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,320growth, of continued forward motion.21500:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,200And that is really, really awesome and super, super powerful.21600:12:36,200 --> 00:12:41,280So definitely take ownership of your career so that you continue to learn in a way that21700:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,760just transforms your experience.21800:12:42,760 --> 00:12:48,080I think the fifth thing I want to talk about is the importance of you doing your own networking21900:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,160and relationship building.22000:12:50,160 --> 00:12:56,200And so many times as we're coming through in a mentor's research program, their contacts22100:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,200are our contacts.22200:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,340And when we first start, it's so important because, hey, you have no contacts.22300:13:02,340 --> 00:13:07,440And so it's so helpful that your mentor is able to introduce you to amazing people.22400:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,840And it's great.22500:13:08,840 --> 00:13:14,460And you also need to advance beyond that network to start connecting networks together.22600:13:14,460 --> 00:13:18,280And so when you see yourself as being in charge of your own career, you take ownership of22700:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,720your own networking and relationship building.22800:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,440You don't wait and say, well, if I'm not introduced, then perhaps I don't need to know this person.22900:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,920You say, well, to what extent does this person fit within my research program?23000:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,720To what extent does their expertise help me?23100:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,800You are proactive.23200:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,760You're going after these relationships.23300:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,280You're actively nurturing them.23400:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,040In fact, you're seeking out new mentors, new collaborators.23500:13:43,040 --> 00:13:49,960And sometimes I hear people think, well, if I go talk to another mentor, then am I being23600:13:49,960 --> 00:13:50,960disloyal?23700:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,660And it can feel that way.23800:13:53,660 --> 00:13:55,160But it's not disloyal.23900:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,280It's your career that you're building.24000:13:57,280 --> 00:14:03,280And any feeling you have of being disloyal to one mentor because you go seek out another24100:14:03,280 --> 00:14:09,920is not really healthy because your career is going to be on a different level than your24200:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,600primary research mentor's career.24300:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,200They started this career maybe 20, 30, 40 years before you.24400:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,560And you're just starting in a different era, in a different time zone, in a different era,24500:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,640really.24600:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,240And so the networks you're going to want to build are going to be different from those24700:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,180of your mentor.24800:14:29,180 --> 00:14:33,040And so you want to be the one taking ownership for that, seeking out new mentors, seeking24900:14:33,040 --> 00:14:40,320out new collaborations so that it can really help accelerate your career.25000:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,600And mentors are amazing.25100:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,200And I hope you don't get the sense that I don't think that our mentors are.25200:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,200They are.25300:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,680And would we go far without them?25400:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,680We might.25500:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,600It would be harder, but we still could.25600:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,120But it's important not to say you're going to put all your eggs in one basket.25700:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,600And if your mentor doesn't move forward in the one direction, then you have to decide25800:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,840you're not moving forward in that direction.25900:15:06,840 --> 00:15:07,840So you get to choose.26000:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,720You get to choose because it's your own career.26100:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,960And so your mentor is great to provide you the kind of career guidance, support, and26200:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,200value insights that you need.26300:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,720But your career journey is yours.26400:15:18,720 --> 00:15:19,820It's unique to you.26500:15:19,820 --> 00:15:24,440Your life experiences all come together.26600:15:24,440 --> 00:15:25,440And they're different.26700:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,440They're different than anything that anyone else has ever experienced.26800:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,020So nobody else can live your career for you.26900:15:31,020 --> 00:15:35,040Even if they were born at the exact same time as you were, or even are from the same family27000:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,800as you, no one can lead your career like you can.27100:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,200And when you take ownership of your career, you empower yourself to make informed decisions.27200:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,080You're able to set and pursue your own goals.27300:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,180You can adapt to changes.27400:15:47,180 --> 00:15:51,560You ultimately are able to create a path that aligns with your values and aspirations.27500:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,480You are saying, this is the path I'm choosing because it makes sense to me.27600:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,680And it's the path that I own.27700:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,200And it's really, really awesome and amazing and so powerful.27800:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,480So just to recap, when you're taking ownership of your own career, it allows you to take27900:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,020personal responsibility and not advocate it to someone else.28000:16:10,020 --> 00:16:15,600It allows you to direct and lead your career so you have self-direction.28100:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,400It gives you opportunity for adaptability and resilience as you're making the decisions28200:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,320for how your career should go and where next to take it.28300:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,040It allows you to become a continuous learner.28400:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,040That's number four.28500:16:27,040 --> 00:16:32,060And it just enhances your feelings of self-efficacy because you're someone who's continuously28600:16:32,060 --> 00:16:35,360learning how to move your own career forward.28700:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,280And finally, it allows you to network and build your own relationships and take ownership28800:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,880for the network that you have so that you can move your career forward.28900:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,200All right.29000:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,560That's all I have for today's episode.29100:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,560If somebody else needs to hear this, please share it with them.29200:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,680And if you are a clinician looking to make the transition from clinician to clinician29300:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,680scientist, you're looking for a coach, I want to work with you.29400:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,360Please reach out to me on DM.29500:17:01,360 --> 00:17:02,360I am on Instagram.29600:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,280I'm also on Facebook and I'm on LinkedIn as well.29700:17:05,280 --> 00:17:11,280Send me a DM and let's set up a discovery call to see if it makes sense for us to move29800:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,280forward.29900:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,280All right.30000:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,800It was such a pleasure talking with you today.30100:17:14,800 --> 00:17:24,840I look forward to the next time.30200:17:24,840 --> 00:17:30,200Thanks for listening to this episode of the Clinician Researcher Podcast where academic30300:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,920clinicians learn the skills to build their own research program, whether or not they30400:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,000have a mentor.30500:17:37,000 --> 00:17:43,080If you found the information in this episode to be helpful, don't keep it all to yourself.30600:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,840Someone else needs to hear it.30700:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,880So take a minute right now and share it.30800:17:48,880 --> 00:17:54,360As you share this episode, you become part of our mission to help launch a new generation30900:17:54,360 --> 00:18:00,120of clinician researchers who make transformative discoveries that change the way we do healthcare.31000:18:00,120 --> 00:18:01,120Thank you.31100:18:01,120 --> 00:18:29,680At this time, let's take a moment to make some comments.